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Mar 10 2003 on poll Is war agains Iraq the answer? |
I cannot help but reply to some other previous posts and thoughts.
"It is about oil" is the international anti-U.S. cry these days, or seems like it. Please let me remind you of a few facts. You may look them up in the history books:
1) Where exactly are our oil profits from almost invading Haiti to try to remove a dictator? (Remember that? We almost did go in and were 1 hour away from war when the dictator stepped down after being convinced by Powell)
2) Where exactly are our oil profits from Somalia? I don't recall any.
3) Neither do I recall any oil profits, or any profits, from walking into Bosnia.
4) I do not recall any oil profits from removing Noriega in Panama.
5) No oil or business profits which I remember so vividly from our venture into Kosovo - something which the European nations begged us to do, and begged us not to go to the Security Council because the Russians would veto the proposal.
6) No oil profits from Korea. In fact, it has been an extremely expensive drain to keep up the DMZ...and for no real reason other than trying to stem a dictatorship. I don't see a very profitable venture there, do you? Please list some facts.
7) How exactly did we profit from sending troops into Vietnam? Regardless of whether you were for or against the war, how was it anything else but the clash of ideals, even flawed as they were?
8) People say that Kuwait was about oil as well. Perhaps it was, but then again I humbly submit that you are not a Kuwait who experienced the brutal regime of Saddam Hussein and cheered in the streets when the U.S. troops arrived. Do you honestly think that they cared if it was for oil or for other ideals? I suggest that you speak to some before you make suggestions such as these.
9) Did we have a cold war with the Soviets for oil? After all, that silent war cost us trillions of dollars...and for what? We have made bargains with other dictators, why did we not simply bargain with them?
Before you start assigning nonexistant purposes, or even shadowy ones, to the motives of a President, I suggest that you sit down and read a comprehensive history of each conflict instead of the liberal pap and drivel which spews from the mouths of raving anti-U.S. protesters. It is far too facile to wave your hands and simply attribute anything you dislike about the U.S. to Imperial and Oil interests.
The U.S. is being assailed by everyone in the world whom are under the impression that the U.S. has done wrong in the past. While this is true and we have certainly made numerous mistakes in our foreign policy, it is also true that those same people are under the impression that the U.S. can do no right. This is a blatant canard which must be dispelled by the facts. I see no oppression enforced by the U.S. and yet I am witness to constant accusations of others who happen to insist that we are no better than Saddam Hussein.
This is nowhere near a fair assessment of the country or even policies as a whole and represent the attitudes of people with a serious axe of hatred to grind.
Nathaniel Harari
nat@harari.org |
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Mar 10 2003 on poll Is war agains Iraq the answer? |
This is all very interesting and, frankly, not surprising. :)
I just have a little note about containment and war with related countries:
You know, France was the one screaming in World War II that Hitler was a madman and that American troops had to liberate it. Frankly, we didn't have to go to war with Germany. We could have simply cut a deal. After all, going to war led to:
1) The destabalization of the region
2) The slaughter of millions
3) Chaos and anarchy in a stable, albeit oppressive, dictatorship in France and other European nations.
When we were attacked at Pearl Harbor, we could have retaliated simply by attacking the Japanese with the public announcement that since it was the Japanese who did attack us, we just wanted to take care of business there, eliminate the threat, and told Germany that we still were not going to get involved in their "internal affairs". Yes, Germany was an ally of Japan, but it did not directly attack the United States.
Much like the situation today, Iraq is somewhat allied to Al Quaeda and other terrorist organizations (perhaps indirectly, perhaps very tenuously). If we had listened to those same arguments back then, then by European logic, we should never have landed in Normandy. There was simply no call for it. Hitler was a brutal dictator? So what? There were other dictators in the world at the time, and we never laid a hand on them (such as Stalin).
Unfortunately for the European "peacemakers", we did not listen to them and decided to brazenly attack Nazi Germany and free the French by bombing France and other places. Of course, the French were not crying out for non-involvement then, were not listing the fact that there were other dictators to be dealt with at the time, did not say "Yes, Hitler is a bad guy and I hope he is removed, but by peaceful means", and did not point to the fact that attacking the Germans would mean a World War and destablization throughout the world with tens of thousands, or possibly millions, of innocent civilians killed.
Perhaps that would be France's view today were they to be invaded. But it is quite intolerable for them to forget their own pain that others currently feel, dismissing them with the rationalization of Chamberlinesque arguments where all voices are equal and fair - even those of the mass murderers of which they have had a taste thereof not so long ago.
I cannot but smirk at the French and German position about the U.S. Empire because I ask this: Where is it exactly that we have vast tracts of land conquered and colonized in the rest of the world? I see none. No one pays American taxes outside of America, no one is subjugated under our rule, and no one has ever had their oil fields robbed from them, or any other national treasures. Indeed, if it was about oil, we could simply make a deal with Saddam and get more oil money than we could by invading his country.
No, I really have to laugh at the French and German position because, by testament to their own recent history, they are absolutely wrong.
Again, we have gone forth from these shores many times in the last century, and all the land that we have ever requested in return were a few simple plots in which to bury our own dead after the job was done.
Nathaniel Harari
nat@harari.org |
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Feb 21 2003 on content Not In My Name |
What the...fuck?
Regardless on your feelings of a coming war with Iraq (and yes, it IS coming), I'd like to point out a few fucking facts:
Some of us are only around because some GI's fought and fucking died to end Nazi power. I don't give a rat's fucking ass if you think it was for money, politics, power, or any other demented sort of conspiracy-laced theory that you can come up with in the most liberal anti-American ideologies. The fact is that they fought and fucking died for it and very few other people did. The motive doesn't mean shit to me, the result does.
Some cops take the job for money, and some for ideology. Does that make them dirty? Does a detective on the front line who gets killed protecting you get spit on because he gets a paycheck from you every month? How about the fireman, fighting every day to rescue people from infernos...are you pissed off that he gets paid, or gets to park next to a hydrant instead of you?
How about showing a little fucking style? I'm sorry for being so god damned rude but I've had it up to my fucking eyeballs with my country being equated with Nazis. So the Bush family made it's fortune with the Third Reich. So what? Your'e going to blame him for it? He didn't choose his grandfather any more than you did. All of a sudden it is fashionable to blame Bush Jr. for his grandfather's doings, but shit...I can't mention that most Germans out there had grandfathers killing off Jews in the camps and carting them off - that would be impolitic to me. Talk about fucking hypocrisy. Did you happen to look into Joschka Fischer's past? Or Shroeder's past? Or ANYONE else in Germany who is currently opposed to the war? How about Chirac who actually sold Saddam Hussein a nuclear reactor? Excuse me for saying this, Europe, but it's a bad fucking world out there and your countries are not untainted. It's about bloody time you wake the fuck up and realize that the little paradise you've built for yourselves is built on your blood - and OURS as well. Why the hell do you think all the Eastern European countries signed on to the war? To spite Europe...or maybe there's another reason - like they know what tyrrany is, and they sure as fuck don't see it in the good old USA. Oh yeah..maybe we duped them all with our "Jewish media" which isn't free, of course. And all our rights are being "taken away" by the Patriot act. Yeah, we really control the world and actually, didn't you know (oh gee) we have so many Jews here too, rooting for Israel, just like the "Christian Fundamentalists" who want to wipe out the rest of the world. Hell yeah. Shit, didn't you know all that was true, and we're covering up Aliens in Area 51 as well. Darn it, even American Media shows that's true with series like the X-Files.
And by the way, Noam Chomsky is a fucking moron, okay? Why don't you read about what he said last year before we went into Afghanistan. He said it would trigger a nuclear war (wrong!). He said we would be killed off like we were in Vietnam (wrong!). He said that we would never defeat the Taliban (wrong!). Gee, maybe you should listen to a guy who hasn't been so wrong so often in so little time.
And my last point is this: I'm honestly pissed off that I have to come to one of my favorite happy sites and see this shit. How about I make a big GERMANY = SWASTIKA symbol and stick it up here? How about I do the same for France? Huh? How would that make you feel? Well shit, I have history on my side too! I'll just slap a big fucking K on it and say that it's topical for this site and everything is okay. Heck, you're offended? That's too fucking bad, right? Freedom of speech and all.
Show some fucking decency and remove that stain before I really *DO* make a wallpaper like that just for spite. If that detritus can stay up there and be "topical", I don't see any reason why mine can't either.
Yours truly,
Really fucking pissed off. |
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