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Not In My Name

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bongo

Link: http:// Downloads: 600	Submitted: Feb 11 2003 Updated: Feb 12 2003
Description: A topical wallpaper - if you want to squeeze a little government propaganda out of your ambient environment and insert a different perspective, this is for you. It's supposed to look stark, like a protest banner. There's been some negative feedback about its artistic merit so I'll be trying some improvements shortly. The gist is "there's a reason for this war - the survival of the Corporate Industrial-Military complex and the source of its fear - corrupt Christian fundamentalists whose fear mongering poisons the U.S. government." For my fav. KDE only. --- Updated to leave room for icons ---

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If you have

by EmperorRob on: Feb 12 2003

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EmperorRob

problems with the US or anything political take it somewhere else. This site is for art not propaganda and I don't want to read trash when I come here. there's a million places for you to bitch on the net; this is not one of them.

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Swastika use

by Markus on: Feb 12 2003

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Markus

It's a felony to display the swastika (the Nazi symbol) in Germany. As a formerly used sign of a politcal party that is hostile against the democratic republic constitution of Germany you will be seriously punished (put into jail for a year or so) when showing it in the public.

Frank's server is in Germany. HE will be held responsible for this content (regardless YOUR personal sense of justice)!
Don't destroy KDE-Look by showing this kind of unconstitutional signs.

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If this is true...

by secretmethod70 on: Feb 12 2003

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secretmethod 70

PLEASE delete your submission.

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It's true.

by Markus on: Feb 12 2003

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Markus

You will be punished with up to 3 years of jail or a (high) fine.

Read the law in german at

http://www.gesetze-xxl.de/gesetze/stgb/p86a.htm

Read the commentary on the law at

http://www.anwaltskanzlei-online.de/StrMM-11.html

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It's not in Germany

by marm on: Feb 12 2003

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marm

Hence not illegal.

$ host www.kde-look.org
www.kde-look.org A 66.111.55.80
marm@funkster:~$ whois 66.111.55.80

OrgName: United Colocation Group, Inc.
OrgID: UCG-14
Address: 200 Paul Ave., Suite 500
City: San Francisco
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 94124
Country: US

[snipped]

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Oh!

by Markus on: Feb 12 2003

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Markus

It seems like you are right. Obviously KDE-Look gets hosted on a new server meanwhile. This explains why the timestamps changed sometimes during the last weeks from MEST to some overseas time zone.

Yo, in this case it is certainly not illegal. :-)

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Huh?

by uninet on: Feb 12 2003

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First, I really don't think this is the right place for this... but more over, what's this corrupt fundamentalist Christian thing? "Fundamentalists" -- how about using the term Evangelical instead? -- don't have very much power in D.C. Based on his politics, the president certainly isn't one (or a very moderate one, if he is). And how is attacking Iraq going to help "corrupt ... Christians"???

Instead of inflamatory symbols, particularly the swastica, how about something more civil. While I'm not totally for attacking Iraq, I think there is a MAJOR difference between attacking a country in violation of international resolutions and an aggressive, racist philosophy (i.e. Nazism).

This is very offensive, IMO.

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eh!

by bongo on: Feb 12 2003

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bongo

Fundamentalists think they've found the one truth and generally like to impose it on everybody else.

Corrupt Christian fundamentalists are corrupt particularly in that they've forgotton the basic tenant of Christianity - to forgive - to live and let live. It has bred in the cess pool of fear - of the Russians, of the Blacks, of the Immigrants. It's offered rightiousness and absolute solutions where that's the worst possible option. It is the worst kind of aggressive racism - most people I know seem to think that Arabs are all barbaric nutters, this is a fantasy. If Bush isn't a fundamentalist then I'm scared - there are worse people out there? Maybe you've been reading his speeches and believing them. Look at the actions of the man, on the death-penalty, on abortion, on war and revenge. Lunatic. The power of the Christian fundamentalists IS strong because it is STRONG in the military. Of all the armies in the world the U.S. army has taken the philosophy of brainwashing to new heights (" to break down the liberal pussy with ;D ") instilling the most dangerous brand of "America is the greatest country on earth, the only free country, the only democratic country, we are surrounded by evil and violent people" which is total double-think. Try reading George Orwell - 1984 - to understand what "perpetual war" does to a people and then think about what the government's been saying recently.

As for treaty breaking and racism - take a look at the list of countries on the bottom half of the wallpaper.

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First, your concept.

by uninet on: Feb 13 2003

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The first problem with your assumption is that Fundamentalist == Bad Person. Which is like saying Arabs == Bad Person. Your case is the same kind you are accusing the Christians of.

Bush is NOT a fundamentalist in many issues. He's a rather moderate socially, many of his positions have appeased the moderate liberals as well as the moderate conservatives. Those further on either end of the spectrum don't like it though.

Fundamentalist, simply, just means someone who sticks to the fundamentals. That is, in the context of Christianity, one that follows the traditional tenets of Christianity. Billy Graham is a fundamentalist, for example. President Bush isn't, because he is somewhat on the moderately liberal side of the Christian church. Make sense?

He is rather conservative on some issues (i.e. he doesn't support 'killing'/euthanizing the unborn, as you point out), but he also is liberal on others (he supports some embryonic stem cell research).

All that said, fundamentalism and conservative foreign policy are two different things. No where odes it say in the Bible "Thou shalt have preemptive strikes." The point being, whether or not some fundamentalists agree with the Iraq situation, calling anyone who does a Christian fundamentalist is truly like calling all Muslims terrorists. On the other hand, there are many Christians and NON-Christians that support action in Iraq but in a measured way. Whatever the case, it just isn't a black and white world.

Just because there are more Christians than Muslims doesn't make it any better or less hurtful to generalize that the group is one of "hatred" and/or "warmongering."

-Tim

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Rhetorical question

by harp2812 on: Feb 17 2003

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How is a fundamental Christian any worse than a fundamental Muslim? Both kill in the name of religion... and both claim to be justified by their God, who has declared to both "Thou shalt not kill". And who is more arrogant: Those who resort to force for their own means, or those who refuse others a forceful recourse under any circumstance? In my own humble opinion, I believe all sides are equally intolerant, selfish, and spiteful.

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proper translation

by Chris308 on: Mar 2 2003

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Actually the proper translation of the Bible and this commandment is "Thou shalt not murder"
There is a difference between killing in the act of defense and murdering someone.

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I have no problem

by bearpaws711 on: Feb 12 2003

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bearpaws711

It never fails to surprise me that the people demanding the removal of something like this are the very people that espouse freedom of speech. Or is it really free as in beer?

For me, the wallpaper is a little too bombastic. Maybe that's the intention. I don't like it for aesthetic reasons.

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What the..

by SomethingWonderful on: Feb 21 2003

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SomethingWon derful
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What the...fuck?

Regardless on your feelings of a coming war with Iraq (and yes, it IS coming), I'd like to point out a few fucking facts:

Some of us are only around because some GI's fought and fucking died to end Nazi power. I don't give a rat's fucking ass if you think it was for money, politics, power, or any other demented sort of conspiracy-laced theory that you can come up with in the most liberal anti-American ideologies. The fact is that they fought and fucking died for it and very few other people did. The motive doesn't mean shit to me, the result does.

Some cops take the job for money, and some for ideology. Does that make them dirty? Does a detective on the front line who gets killed protecting you get spit on because he gets a paycheck from you every month? How about the fireman, fighting every day to rescue people from infernos...are you pissed off that he gets paid, or gets to park next to a hydrant instead of you?

How about showing a little fucking style? I'm sorry for being so god damned rude but I've had it up to my fucking eyeballs with my country being equated with Nazis. So the Bush family made it's fortune with the Third Reich. So what? Your'e going to blame him for it? He didn't choose his grandfather any more than you did. All of a sudden it is fashionable to blame Bush Jr. for his grandfather's doings, but shit...I can't mention that most Germans out there had grandfathers killing off Jews in the camps and carting them off - that would be impolitic to me. Talk about fucking hypocrisy. Did you happen to look into Joschka Fischer's past? Or Shroeder's past? Or ANYONE else in Germany who is currently opposed to the war? How about Chirac who actually sold Saddam Hussein a nuclear reactor? Excuse me for saying this, Europe, but it's a bad fucking world out there and your countries are not untainted. It's about bloody time you wake the fuck up and realize that the little paradise you've built for yourselves is built on your blood - and OURS as well. Why the hell do you think all the Eastern European countries signed on to the war? To spite Europe...or maybe there's another reason - like they know what tyrrany is, and they sure as fuck don't see it in the good old USA. Oh yeah..maybe we duped them all with our "Jewish media" which isn't free, of course. And all our rights are being "taken away" by the Patriot act. Yeah, we really control the world and actually, didn't you know (oh gee) we have so many Jews here too, rooting for Israel, just like the "Christian Fundamentalists" who want to wipe out the rest of the world. Hell yeah. Shit, didn't you know all that was true, and we're covering up Aliens in Area 51 as well. Darn it, even American Media shows that's true with series like the X-Files.

And by the way, Noam Chomsky is a fucking moron, okay? Why don't you read about what he said last year before we went into Afghanistan. He said it would trigger a nuclear war (wrong!). He said we would be killed off like we were in Vietnam (wrong!). He said that we would never defeat the Taliban (wrong!). Gee, maybe you should listen to a guy who hasn't been so wrong so often in so little time.

And my last point is this: I'm honestly pissed off that I have to come to one of my favorite happy sites and see this shit. How about I make a big GERMANY = SWASTIKA symbol and stick it up here? How about I do the same for France? Huh? How would that make you feel? Well shit, I have history on my side too! I'll just slap a big fucking K on it and say that it's topical for this site and everything is okay. Heck, you're offended? That's too fucking bad, right? Freedom of speech and all.

Show some fucking decency and remove that stain before I really DO make a wallpaper like that just for spite. If that detritus can stay up there and be "topical", I don't see any reason why mine can't either.

Yours truly,

Really fucking pissed off.

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Ha.

by santa on: Feb 26 2003

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santa

Well well well. No need to refute your argument. It falls over all of its own accord. Try writing with your intelligence, not your vitriol.

Santa

p.s. I find the Germany=Swastika thing particularly funny, as it's the US that constantly equate Saddam=Hitler. But hey; history isn't your strong point is it?

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Don't bother

by Chris308 on: Mar 2 2003

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Chris308

wasting your time with them. It is absolutely amazing that
the Germans would have the nerve to lecture us on what's right
or wrong. They have the worst track record in a over a century
on human rights. To equate attempting to free the Iraq people
and protect our country to that of Hitler is comical. After all,
I don't think we will be looking for babies to perform experiments
on or building furnaces/gas chambers to kill millions.

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Not In My Name

KDE Wallpaper 1024x768

If you have

problems with the US or anything political take it somewhere else. This site is for art not propaganda and I don't want to read trash when I come here. there's a million places for you to bitch on the net; this is not one of them.

Swastika use

If this is true...

PLEASE delete your submission.

It's true.

You will be punished with up to 3 years of jail or a (high) fine. Read the law in german at http://www.gesetze-xxl.de/gesetze/stgb/p86a.htm Read the commentary on the law at http://www.anwaltskanzlei-online.de/StrMM-11.html

It's not in Germany

Hence not illegal. $ host www.kde-look.org www.kde-look.org A 66.111.55.80 marm@funkster:~$ whois 66.111.55.80 OrgName: United Colocation Group, Inc. OrgID: UCG-14 Address: 200 Paul Ave., Suite 500 City: San Francisco StateProv: CA PostalCode: 94124 Country: US [snipped]

Oh!

It seems like you are right. Obviously KDE-Look gets hosted on a new server meanwhile. This explains why the timestamps changed sometimes during the last weeks from MEST to some overseas time zone. Yo, in this case it is certainly not illegal. :-)

Huh?

eh!

First, your concept.

Rhetorical question

proper translation

Actually the proper translation of the Bible and this commandment is "Thou shalt not murder" There is a difference between killing in the act of defense and murdering someone.

I have no problem

It never fails to surprise me that the people demanding the removal of something like this are the very people that espouse freedom of speech. Or is it really free as in beer? For me, the wallpaper is a little too bombastic. Maybe that's the intention. I don't like it for aesthetic reasons.

What the..

Ha.

Don't bother

You will be punished with up to 3 years of jail or a (high) fine.

Read the law in german at

http://www.gesetze-xxl.de/gesetze/stgb/p86a.htm

Read the commentary on the law at

http://www.anwaltskanzlei-online.de/StrMM-11.html

Hence not illegal.

$ host www.kde-look.org
www.kde-look.org A 66.111.55.80
marm@funkster:~$ whois 66.111.55.80

OrgName: United Colocation Group, Inc.
OrgID: UCG-14
Address: 200 Paul Ave., Suite 500
City: San Francisco
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 94124
Country: US

[snipped]

It seems like you are right. Obviously KDE-Look gets hosted on a new server meanwhile. This explains why the timestamps changed sometimes during the last weeks from MEST to some overseas time zone.

Yo, in this case it is certainly not illegal. :-)

Actually the proper translation of the Bible and this commandment is "Thou shalt not murder"
There is a difference between killing in the act of defense and murdering someone.

It never fails to surprise me that the people demanding the removal of something like this are the very people that espouse freedom of speech. Or is it really free as in beer?

For me, the wallpaper is a little too bombastic. Maybe that's the intention. I don't like it for aesthetic reasons.