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Submitted:  Oct 7 2003
Updated:  Oct 16 2003

Description:

For other evangelical Christians...a great improvement over the original.

"Believe on" is accurate...from the KJV...which was chosen over other translations due to the faithfulness to the original idea; that of trusting, not just intellectual ascent.

If you haven't already done so, and have the time, why not send KDE-LOOK an email thanking them for allowing a variety of work? Thanks!




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Added second paper.




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 what's wrong?

 
 by abe on: Oct 8 2003  
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Can't anyone post anything here? Why on earth would ANYONE make a huge deal out of this? There is much more offensive stuff put out here. QUOTE: "make wallpapers about things that don't cause 80% of the worlds problems": What problems are you talking about!? If you don't like these wallpapers nobody's forcing you to view them. I am a Christian and I respect the guts timbrown has to stand up for what he believes. KUDOS to you timbrown!!


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 Re: what's wrong?

 
 by timbrown527 on: Oct 8 2003  
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Thanks Abe! Although I "heard you the first time"!...(referencing the four *accidental* posts).

I'm tempted to go on, but I won't. Maybe some other time. But thanks for your encouragement. It's a nice change from Ad Hominem attacks!

Blessings,

Tim

Christ is my LIFE...
The rest is just trumpets...(oh, and Linux!)
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 Re: what's wrong?

 
 by Fingel on: Oct 9 2003  
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hes reffering to religion. 80% of the worlds problems are becasue of religion. Face it, 911 is about religion, as is Isreal vs Palenstien etc. etc.


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 Re: Re: what's wrong?

 
 by Superstoned on: Oct 9 2003  
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100% of these "caused by religion" problems whould be there without religion too, cuz religion is just used by ppl to cover up for there narow-mindedness.

"keep religion to yourself" - why? You dont want everybody to keep their opinions on whatever to theirselves, exept religion... thats not fair... I can say whatever I want, exept when it is about religion? c'mon...

Lets create a poll "does God exist" ;-)
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No
I dunno
You can prove He does
You can prove he does not
You can't prove nor disprove His existence (I'd vote this one, it is, at least according to modern fillosofy, true)

btw I dont really believe that much myself, but I LOVE human freedom (of speech, and in every other aspect)


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 by Fingel on: Oct 9 2003  
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No, I have to disagree. You really think the crusades, 911 wold have happened anyway? No, its because of conflicting religions. To certain muslims, we are a bunch of sinners and we must pay for it. They thing God is on thier side, we think it is on ours. That is why I dislike religion.

Praise the lord and pass the ammunition.

Now on the other hand, if everyone was buddah instead of these blood thirsty westerized religions, this world would be a much more peacefull place.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: what

 
 by timbrown527 on: Oct 9 2003  
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Hello!

While I certainly appreciate your viewpoint, and why you would think that way, I would mention that the atrocities that you refer to (and are usually pointed to) were not done by what the SCRIPTURES refer to as Christians.

Just recently the government put to death a guy who *professed* to be a Christian, and murdered an abortion doctor. He was unrepentant for that act all the way to his execution.

What does the Bible say? It says that such a person is making a false claim (1 John).

People can gather *under a banner* and do something in the name of what's on that banner but doing so is not what makes one a Christian.

The term *Christian* was first used as an insult to the followers of Christ at Antioch (Acts). It means *little Christ* or a "Christ One". It was pointed directly at those who had become *Born Again* per the Scriptures. These were the early believers who were showing evidence of their *Genuine* faith through OBEDIENCE to God and His Word.

Unfortunately, "Christian" has come to mean just about anything, and therefore nothing. Christianity started in Israel, not the west. Jesus Christ was Jewish by blood.

We now lump mormons, catholics and most protestants together as "Christians". There is really no other way to describe this as just plain *wrong*.

You know, you can call yourself a feminist, and kill someone and it will make feminism look bad...but you can just *say* you are a feminist to be popular. That doesn't make you one. It's where your mind, emotions and will are. THAT is what you are...because *as a man thinks in his HEART, so is he".

Jesus said cleary in Matthew 7 that many on the Day of judgement will say "Lord, did we not..." (Do this or that in your Name?). "...And I will say to them, "Depart from me, you evil doers."

Lumping things together is a neat way to deal with things. It also is done when someone doesn't understand how the groups differ. Unfortunately, the MISuse of the term *Christian* has fed this.

But a *Genuine* Christian is something far different.

Thanks for the input,

Tim

Christ is my LIFE...
The rest is just trumpets...(oh, and Linux!)
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 Re: Re: Re: Re: what

 
 by timbrown527 on: Oct 9 2003  
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Let me quickly add too that 9/11 was not a result of an act of people in a *westernized* religion but rather those in Islam who take a literal view of 'Jihad'.

I'm sure this wasn't intentional, but I wanted to point that out.

Thanks,
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 by Fingel on: Oct 10 2003  
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But have we not become infadels? Turn on your tv and actually watch it, if you can bear it. Barely dressed women selling us swim wear. Sexual refrences in shampoo commercials. MTV (need I explain?) Porn. Money money money.

Now watch the news, the president has bombed another country most Inhabitants of the United States can't even pronouce ( I don't say "American" and I don't know wny people do, America extends from Chile all the way up to Canada). We supply military aid to another, then leave another corrupt leader in charge. And the worst part, most of us just suck it all in, without question.

If another country invaded your home, changed your governement, killed your people, sucked the recources out and then left it in pieces, would you not say that this is against the bible? And the American people wonder why they hate us?

Unfourtunaly, most poeple outside our country view our culture as it is portrayed in television and government, not the actaul american people. It is hard for them to differenciate between the two, so we really have sinned in thier eyes, and we must suffer.


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 by timbrown527 on: Oct 10 2003  
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But have we not become infadels? Turn on your tv and actually watch it, if you can bear it. Barely dressed women selling us swim wear. Sexual refrences in shampoo commercials. MTV (need I explain?) Porn. Money money money.
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Yes, pure filth and greed. Mainly greed, using filth to get money. I agree!
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Now watch the news,
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The major news networks are not reliable; If you watch CSPAN while the House is getting stuff done, then watch the news, you'll see what I mean. I was out of work in 1994 and during that time I got a belly full of it.
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If another country invaded your home, changed your governement, killed your people, sucked the recources out and then left it in pieces, would you not say that this is against the bible? And the American people wonder why they hate us?


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Well, you are alluding to Iraq? If so, you must be getting this stuff from the mainstream media.

You haven't mentioned the torture/rape rooms, the plastic shredders through which people were killed *feet first*. If not, I'm not surprised if you are referring to TV reports.

I get my news from other sources; such as http://www.worldnetdaily.com and Salem Radio News.

The stuff on TV is pure brainwashing. Again, I got an eyefull of this back in 1994 simply comparing what I SAW congress do and what they SAID congress did.

So, our TV is used for watching movies!

Thanks,
Tim

Christ is my LIFE...
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 by Fingel on: Oct 10 2003  
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No I am not alluding to Iraq, but the many country's we have "justified" over the years.

I don't watch the news. Insead I get my news off gnn.tv and other such sites. If you take the "rape rooms" so seriously, then you must also be reading mainstream media. Have you seen these for yourself? Also, what makes you so sure this does not happen in the good 'ol US of A? I'll bet my linux box that it does. I don't know where the catholic priests raped the children, it could have been in a room. ok cheap shot. But really, what the news says is the "eveilist damn country full of evildoers" is no better or worse than any other countries in thier situation. Cambodia anyone?


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 by timbrown527 on: Oct 10 2003  
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No, I already said in my previous post that I don't watch the mainstream media. About the "rape rooms", no, I haven't seen them personally but then I haven't been to China either...but I've heard that there is such a country.

I'll let you guess and wager on your own about what happens here.

I held a job for a number of years at a decent sized secular university. I'm very familiar with the bashing of western society. Have we done wrong things? Yes. Have we grieved God in the past? Yes. No doubt about it. But there are thousands of people who come here every day or week seeking refuge from tyrrany elsewhere.

I have an Iranian Jewish friend who fled Iran because of persecution. Here, he has the freedom to worship as he chooses. People risk death trying to get here by boat from Cuba. If I could, I'd help them.

The thing that those who bash western civilization miss is that at least they have the freedom to say what they think about the government. In China, for example, that wouldn't be allowed. One Chinese guy said "It's funny, in China you can say you don't believe in Darwinian evolution but you can't question the government. In the US you can question the government but you must teach evolution as fact!". Well, he's right. And those who bash the west should instead be thankful they have the freedom to do so. The blood of many paid for it.

I pray for our nation. I pray that God will wake us up to our need for a return to Christ. We've gone way off course. Kids are killing each other (well, if they are tought they are just protoplasm waiting to become manure, why are we surprised if they don't value life?), our judicial system is perverting our laws. I don't see any postive change happening; in fact, from what is going on in the world I think the stage is set for Christ's return sometime in my lifetime. The world scene is certainly coming together for that to happen.

The point is that all these things will pass away. Only that which is eternal will remain. Each individual is put on this earth to make a decision for or against Christ. It is a matter of personal volitional choice. God is looking for those who wish to be with him for eternity and to enjoy him...it won't be a boring existence...but sheer, perpetual joy in the presence of the God who loved us enough to send His Son to die for us. When that time comes, this life will be as consequential as a tiny black dot in the middle of the the Pacific. This life, says the bible, is a mere "vapor". It's here, it passes and it's gone.

So I pray for what's wrong, pray that it will be made right sooner rather than later but focus on what matters; am I ready for eternity?

Thanks,

Tim

Christ is my LIFE...
The rest is just trumpets...(oh, and Linux!)

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 by Fingel on: Oct 10 2003  
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Ok that last post you made had pretty much nothing to do with what I just said. Anyway, I read one thing "Those who live in western society should be thankfull that they can express thier ideas about the government"
Yeah well then again you can do that in Canada too, and when was the last time someone wanted to destroy them? When was the last time Canada caused collateral damage overseas without its citizens even knowing or caring? Thats why I'm moving to Canada once I get my car, that is, in about 3 years (when I'm 18). Ah yes Canada, a cleaner, nicer, less violent, socialist, no Bush...


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 by timbrown527 on: Oct 10 2003  
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Well then, all I can do is tell you I wish you well and pray that one day you'll know Christ and not have so much bitterness.

Blessings,

Tim

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 by timbrown527 on: Oct 9 2003  
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I really appreciate your support! Thanks!

Let me say though, that you *won't* prove the existence of God via philosophy. Neither will you do it via science. As a matter of fact, one of the most frustrating things I've run into are those who view it as one or the other.

As a Christian, I deal with evidences. You make a verdict on the evidences, just as in any court of law. People, for one reason or another, really have difficulty grasping this.

You can BEGIN with philosphy, but it will only get you so far.

You can use Science, but it will only get you so far.

But the CORE is going to be based on historical/archaeological evidence (Boy, I've said this a thousand times!).

The Christian faith is built on the claims of Christ to be who He was, as well as His death and Ressurrection.

Ok, to many that sounds like *Kiddy Easter egg stuff*. Well, we have a myriad of *Secular* sources of Jesus' day that testify he was alive. The same sources also testify that he was, in fact, crucified. Other sources also verify that the tomb was *empty* shortly thereafter.

Now, I am smart enough to realize that if I say "It's true because the Bible says it" someone will say "Circular Reasoning". Please let me say two thins to this: Secular sources for history and archaeolgy have shown the scriptures as accurate. As a matter of fact, a guy by the name of Sir William Ramsay set out to DESTROY the reliability of the Scriptures. He went to work on the Gospel of Luke. Instead of destroying Luke, he became a follower of Jesus Christ and reported that "Luke is an historian of the first order". that is a rough quote but very close.

Secondly, in any court of Law, a defendant is allowed to speak in his/her own defense. That's not circular...and the testimony is open to examination, just as in Christianity.

Archaeology has also verified the claims of the Bible. Things are dug up, and they are where the Bible said they would be. Skeptics used to say that Solomon never lived, nor David. They called them "Myth". Then archaeologists came along and dug up stuff that had to belong to a very weatlthy person and found references to SOLOMON. *Ding*. Same kind of thing for David.

Remember Pharoah's army "chasing" the hebrews and how they were killed in the Red Sea? Well, we now know of a find *in* the Red Sea; a ton of egyptian chariots, INCLUDING one that had trim as the Pharoah's would have. *Ding*

...and this is only a couple examples. Science is also involved in verifying these things.

Philosophy? Well, maybe the best way to use this is as a starting point...

I know that in day-to-day life, I EXPECT things to be made by someone. If I want cheese, i go to the store and buy it from someone who *made it*. If I want an SUV I don't wait for one to appear in my drive, I know I have to go to the dealer who got one from a FACTORY.

We don't live our daily lives philosophically as those who say something comes from nothing by noone. I have a computer in front of me. If I told you it just "came into being" you'd *rightly* say I was nuts. Yet, the HUMAN MIND is VASTLY more complex...and if we say it was designed, people go nuts!

So maybe you can see where I'm going.

Anyway, thanks!

Tim

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 Re: Re: Re: what's wrong?

 
 by lazychris2000 on: Oct 11 2003  
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I partially agree with superstoned on this one...these 'religion caused problems' would still be there without religion...I beleive that 80% of the world's problems are caused by stupidity and closed-mindedness, not by religion. Being a Christian, i have always been taught that tolerance and understanding is the way to avoid conflict. If you want to post pro-satan walpapers, go for it, im just gonna skip over it because i find it offensive, which is what most of you guys should do with Tim's wallpaper. just ignore it, and keep browsing...

and, Fingel, what do you mean by "if everyone was buddah instead of these blood thirsty westerized religions, this world would be a much more peacefull place." ?

btw, place my vote on yes.


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 by timbrown527 on: Oct 11 2003  
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Hi Chris:

You might want to clarify what you mean by "Tolerance".

We define "tolerance" as getting along with someone even if we think they are wrong.

The new definition of tolerance is the notion that we must embrace the viewpoints of others as equally valid...no matter how contradictory they are. It's based on eastern thought...and dumps the laws of logic and non-contradiction...Of course, that door swings but one way...so we have the "intolerance of the 'tolerant'".

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 by lazychris2000 on: Oct 12 2003  
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Tim-
you pretty much summed it up with "tolerance is the notion that we must embrace the viewpoints of others as equally valid"


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Yeah. It's called "Positive Tolerance". It's based on eastern reasoning which throws out logic and the law of non-contradiction. So, instead of "Either/or" it's supposed to be "Both/and".

The only problem is, while they pretend to throw out western reasoning, they use that very system to disqualify it! So, no real "Both/and".

Intellectual suicide for the sake of a political agenda.

Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do.

"Tolerance" isn't even as "tolerant" as the old definition. We believe in "You have the right to believe as you do even if I believe it's wrong". the new "Tolerance" gets rid of the right to dissagree...and if you don't accept that, you're not tolerated!

They want us to "believe what we believe but not practice it". In other words, be a hypocrite!

Tim

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 by jinksys on: Oct 16 2003  
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99 percent of religious people are peaceful and their religions are peaceful. 9-11 was not the result of religion, it was the result of hate. Hatred of what America stands for, and hatred that you are not forced to be any one thing in america. They hate our money, power and even somethings we dont entirely agree with - our women parading around on TV with their tits hanging out. You never see a Jahova's witness hijacking busses or a buddist running an anti-muslim website. These kinds of people are going to hate with or without religion. I would also like to know where you got that number...out of your ass? Ya know, racism also causes alot of pain and violence in the world. What should we do about that? Obviously you arent about tolerance, you are about censorship. Lets censor color! See how idiotic your logic is? we do.

The freedom to censor, is no freedom at all.
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 by Fingel on: Oct 17 2003  
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The only way to stop racism is to educate people aobut different cultures. The problem is that its not happening. I'm in the American school system, and we don't learn jack shit about anybody but Americans. I know other contries have improved on this, but others still have'nt. Its a good thing that I read books and listen to foriegn music.

They hate what America stands for. So do I! But you don't see me hijacking planes do you? Those people come from a culture with a bloody past. The way they get things done is different than we do. We tend to like to do everything without getting our hands dirty, from far away, while others are willing to give thier lives up for a cause.

Did I ever say 80% of the people who were religious were violent? No. I said that many of these wars and disputes are caused by people that are religious. I'm sorry If I confused you. And if your wondering where I got this number, just look a few posts up please.

First of all, you don't know me. You have no basis to judge me. I do tolerate. I have religious people around me every single day. I respect them and if they ask for a debate I will give it to them. I am not for censorship. I indulge in the right so say whatever I want, just like I am right now. But when some guy decides to post some really shitty art work he should be prepared to get flamed. If you noticed the first comment on this item, it is me and I say nothing about religion. Its only when the rest of this garbage started that I jumped in.


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 art

 
 by alethia on: Oct 16 2003  
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is subjective. I personally don't like all the wallpapes I see on the site. I have posted a few that I'm sure others don't like as well. Just because this is offensive to some doesn't mean he shouldn't post here. Bashing his talent because it is offensive isn't critisizim, it's just bashing. Why not bash the guy who posted photos from his trip to CA. That didn't take much talent. I think they look good. Bottom line is: the message is offensive to some. If you don't like it don't use it! What is it about the bible that is so offensive. Is it not a historical manuscript? Or is it more? If it is just a book, why all the controversy?

Two things are certain in this life; Death and Taxes. I'm OK with both, how about you?
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Hi Alethia!

Yes, I think there is more to it. WHy is it that "Jesus" is the name that is ok to run through the dirt but NOT bow to? Why don't people abuse the name of Buddah or thier wives?

*There is something about that name*

Jesus Christ is Lord. He is God come in human flesh, who died for us. HE's not popular because he violates the rules of "Tolerance"...He makes very exclusive claims and rightly so!

In a day where we say there are a thousand ways to God, He says He is "THE way".

To a tolerant community, that is blasphemy.

But it's true!

Tim

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 got hate?

 
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there is a diffrence between censorship and stopping christian attempts to publish horrid work.

The diffrence is they are using KDE-Look.org for a medium to spread their diseased ideals to the rest of the world. It seriously needs to stop. The quality of their work isnt even good, nor does it have to be. Christians will download anything with a finatic refrence.

If we want the quality of work to improve here, then these wackos have to be stopped.


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Well, I understand their intolerance and have seen it in many ways. They constsntly harass people who post art they disagree with here, then bombard their beliefs. Then they tell them to leave. I can't stand them. Who can bear such intolerance? Not me, that's for sure.

My art is created using the Gimp and SodiPodi. Check out my site at http://groundhog.zevallos.com
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 by timbrown527 on: Oct 17 2003  
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*diseased ideals*

Let's see...the commandments that relate to people...

Don't kill,
Don't Steal,
Don't covet,
DOn't cheat on your wife,
Respect your parents,
Don't lie.....

and on.

WHich one of these is *diseased?*

Tim

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 by gvs on: Oct 17 2003  
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Believe without questions
Do not use anti-conception
Do not live together outside marriage
Sex is bad (pardon the use of this direct language)
Other kinds of people will burn in hell
People who die young do so for a reason (aka they did something wrong)


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I've been there, they try to make you feel guilty for breathing.


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Thanks for clarifying, GVS, I appreciate that. Let's take a look at them:

Believe without questions
*** Scriptures don't teach this. I don't believe this.

Do not use anti-conception
*** This sounds like Catholicism, not evangelical Christianity. I don't agree with this.

Do not live together outside marriage
*** Yup. The bible is clear on this.

Sex is bad (pardon the use of this direct language)

*** Don't worry, no offense taken. God created sex for enjoyment and procreation between a man and his wife. Nothing bad about it.

Other kinds of people will burn in hell
*** Jesus tought that the only way to be saved is through the new birth. He tought that HE is the way and no one else.

People who die young do so for a reason (aka they did something wrong)
**** This is false teaching. CHrist himself dealt with something similar to this in the Gospel of John. We ALL have fallen short of the glory of GOd. WE are ALL sinners. The only question is have we recieved the forgiveness that God extends to us through Christ. You know, years ago I was into online porn, and some stuff that opened doors to the occult. I'm still here! God doesn't strike us dead for committing a sin. He shows us mercy by keeping us alive, and extends his Grace to us through the work of Christ.

Forgive me if I'm wrong. I know more than a few beleivers who attend a Catholic church...but these teachings (except for two) don't reflect good bible teaching...just dogma.

Thanks, and I hope this helps.

Tim

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The rest is just trumpets...(oh, and Linux!)
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 sigh

 
 by burntash on: Oct 16 2003  
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this isnt as big of an issue as everyone is making it out to be, but there is a point here and that this is a website for KDE, posting a religious got christ wallpaper has no business here, especially when religion is a touchy subject, post your unrelated wallpaper on another website, lets try to keep this KDE/Linux orientated, no?


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 Re: sigh

 
 by Groundhog3000 on: Oct 17 2003  
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Good idea, let's rid ourselves of these Christian bigots! Those Linux bikini chicks, I can't stand those either! Give em the boot! As a matter of fact, what are photo's of people's girlfriends or backyards doing here? Let's make it simple: Either a gear or a "KDE" is OK, otherwise, GET IT OFF THIS SITE. THIS IS FOR KFE STUFF AND NOTHING ELSE! Those Darn censors!

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 Chistian crime

 
 by grep on: Oct 17 2003  
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Perhaps the most deep failing of Christianity, deeper by far than its loss of meaning, is Christian intolerance.


* The burning of countless men, women and children for alleged witchcraft, without anything approaching a fair trial.

* The often-fatal persecution of people who gave the real world precedence over Catholic doctrines; daring to suggest, among other things, that the Earth orbitted the Sun. The resultant retardation of scientific, technological and medicinal progress.

* The destruction of thousands of families as parents and children witnessed their loved ones dragged off to be questioned by the Inquisition (of which there were several), and often murdered as a result.

* The innumerable lives wasted, and the generations of people who have not been born as a direct result of these and other bloody massacres in the name of a merciful, loving, benevolent Christ.

* The persecution of (and occasionally wars against) followers of other religions.

* The corruption of Kings and politicians throughout the Dark Ages to ensure that the Church keeps a strangle-hold on the lives of the population.

* The obliteration of indigenous cultures as the Church cut a swathe of destruction among "heathen" continents, taking their lives, property and wealth for itself.

More:

http://www.room23.de/1061.html
http://www.room23.de/1146.html

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 Re: Chistian crime

 
 by Groundhog3000 on: Oct 17 2003  
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Friedrich Nietzsche, that damn JEW!!! How about them wicked Romans: wiping out whole civilations at a time. And those ancient Chinese and Japanese, buring people alive, fighting wars over sheer pride and salughtering villages on a whim (and without even a trial).

Perhaps we should attempt to seperate the Catholic church empire and ancient supersticions from the people as a whole. Southerner's in America owned slaves and treated them visciously for nearly 400 years. Shall we now hate all southerners forever...or did they change? Perhaps the people who did those thigs are all dead and gone and their empires and supersticions with them.

And we should move on...and perhaps, like in a musuem or on TV;if you don't like what's there...move on to the next one.

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 Re: tolerance

 
 by grep on: Oct 17 2003  
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A perfect example of christian tolerance and a great showoff of fascist, narrow minded stupidity.
Yes, I guess it is better that you and your friends stay on your linux island.

Have Phun

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 Re: Re: tolerance

 
 by Groundhog3000 on: Oct 18 2003  
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Obviously the sarcasm was well over your head. I, of course have no hatred of Jews, Romans (italians), or any other ethnic group (that much would be obvious from the company I keep if you could see them). I, myself, am Puerto Rican, and not some anglo, racist religious fanatic (as you seem to assume). My point was made in the last paragraph. I apologise for going over your head, and will endevor in the future not to do so in the future.

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 Re: Re: Chistian cri

 
 by Chris308 on: Oct 17 2003  
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Don't bother trying to argue with these kids. They will need a few more years to mature before they have the ability to think for themselves.

P.S. In time they will find God. Usually on their death bed.

Why is it that when a man's life is in danger they never say "Oh satan help me"?
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 Re: Re: Re: Chistian cri

 
 by Soyburg on: Oct 18 2003  
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Although the time of death is approaching me, I am not afraid of dying and going to Hell or (what would be considerably worse) going to the popularized version of Heaven. I expect death to be nothingness and, for removing me from all possible fears of death, I am thankful to atheism.

--Isaac Asimov


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Chis

 
 by timbrown527 on: Oct 18 2003  
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...and let's allow Jesus Christ to give an illustration as to what happened after his foolish decision...Jesus told this as a recount of something that really happened...not a "parable"...:

"The rich man also died and was buried. In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'
"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'
" 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'
"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "

Tim

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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Chis

 
 by timbrown527 on: Oct 18 2003  
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One more thought...

"'If they do not listen to Moses and the "Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "

...and by the way, Jesus DID rise from the dead...but as He said, if you won't accept the scriptures, that won't help you a bit.

Tim

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 Re: Re: Re: Chistian

 
 by timbrown527 on: Oct 18 2003  
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Hi Chris:

I agree; I don't know how many times I've heard dad give testimonies of conversions in the trenches during WWII. "There are no atheists in foxholes".

Tim

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 Re: Chistian crime

 
 by payamf on: Oct 18 2003  
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Compare all the atrocities that has ever been done in the name of religion to all the atrocities done not in the name of religion and you will see that religion has not been the major source of death and destruction in the world. On the whole, quite the opposite. This past century:

12 million mudered by the Nazis
11 million by Stalin
countless millions in Cambodia by Pol Pot

and the list goes on.
Religion is like a knife. A knife can be a life saver in the hands of a surgeon, and a life taker in the hands of a murderer. Religion can be a great source of good in the hands of good people who follow it with the purpose of service to humanity, or a source of evil in the hands of people who choose to interpret it shall we say in a "different" way.

The history of Christianity in the US stands in great contrast to the Medieval times.


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 Re: Re: Chistian cri

 
 by timbrown527 on: Oct 18 2003  
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...and if I'm not mistaken, Hitler (who did what he did as a result of his darwinian pursuasion) hijacked the Christian name and (ab)used it for his own ends. This is an example of the wrong use of religion.

You know, I submit what I submit for other believers. This kind of stuff is just incidental; there are always going to be people who are angry at God, or percieved wrongs, etc. But what we all need to be careful of is making generalizations. That's why I'm CONSTANTLY finding myself trying to clarify what "Christianity" really is...because it has come to mean anyone who says they are a Christian or someone who was baptized as a child, or grew up in a Catholic church, etc., etc., etc...

That's not it!

You can tell that it's about anger because they aren't taking the time to notice that there are people here who are downloading my submissions. Lots of people saying that "noone will use it". I beg to differ!

So, I think it's about anger more than anything else.

Thanks for your comments. I appreciate it!

Tim

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 Religion

 
 by jeffrhino on: Oct 19 2003  
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I praise him for making a statement. What you guys bash him for is that he posts what he believes. But We see YOUR religion everyday in TV, Radio, and of course the Internet. So it is nice for a change to see something clean on this site.


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 Re: Religion

 
 by lazychris2000 on: Oct 22 2003  
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ya know, jeff does have a pretty good point....think about his idea for a few minutes....Tim's ideas should make sense to you guys afterwards...


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