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Not until the advent of astronomy did we discover that Pleiades is a "loosely bound" system, while Orion is "loosed". Yet thousands of years ago, via the inspiration of God, Job told us what we would find.

Scriptural reference is from the NASB, which is a literal translation from the original Hebrew, where the Lord asks Job if he is capable of doing what He had already done.

Presented from a believer to other believers to build us all in our trust in God's Word.




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 brouarrrggghh!!!!

 
 by Brahma on: Sep 23 2003  
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you suck a lot, man.

You're like the fucking gay who posted nude guys for splash.

Stop your fanatic rubbish!


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 Re: brouarrrggghh!!!

 
 by timbrown527 on: Sep 23 2003  
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Even though this was posted primarily for other believers, anyone can respond in a number of ways; three off the top of my head. 1) as you have 2) ignore it 3) deal with the truth claim contained therein.

It's my hope that people who don't agree with the Christian position will take the time to examine the claim and the implications it represents.

Thanks,

Tim

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 Re: Re: brouarrrggghh!!!

 
 by Brahma on: Sep 23 2003  
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Can you tell me what is the "truth" contained in Job 38:31?.

I value a job well done, but if you post it to KDE-Look.org, it will be minimized and we must open it to be viewed. Next time, name your post with "religious" advertise.

P.S.: Sorry for my bad english, obviously is not my language.


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 Re: Re: Re: brouarrr

 
 by timbrown527 on: Sep 23 2003  
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Simply done, it's pretty straightforward as in the description:

At the time Job lived (over 2000 years ago), man did not have knowlege of astronomy. Even more importantly, we didn't understand the nature of "bound" and "unbound" constellations. How would we know? This is a relatively modern discovery. Yet, Job, over 2000 years ago, referred to these as "bound and unbound". This is not an abscure guess as to what the scriptures teach about pleiades and orion, this is simply what it SAYS.

So, if the Bible is "just another book" that is "outdated", how does one account for this scientific accuracy, stated way ahead of it's time?

Thanks

Tim

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 Re: Re: Re: Re: brou

 
 by 0xdeadbeef on: Oct 29 2003  
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Astronomy was a well known to most ancient cultures (I want to stress that the Greek were quite skillful in this area way before even the Roman Empire existed). It was used for navigation, calendars and lots of other stuff. Galileo was not the first to discover that Earth is neither flat nor the center of the universe. Erasthothenes, for example, calculated the Earth diameter way before your quote was written. They made maps from the sky, which was especially important for navigation on the sea, and they called certain constellation names - including the whole Orion saga, that is, the pleiades, orion, rabbit and dog. (I don't know whether this is accurate in English, but they're probably called something like this.) From this, I also deduce that Job was probably greek, or heavily influenced by the greek culture, as he refers to said constellations as Orion and Pleiades. In the jewish culture, the Orion constellation was called Nimrod - a great hunter as well - while in Egypt it was named Osiris. The rabbit was Osiris' boat.

I guess this answers your question.


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 Re: Re: brouarrrgggh

 
 by JiinYaroon on: Sep 23 2003  
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well Tim, what's the truth? do You think, there's the one and only truth? *lol*
but hey! this is a linux-page, not something to mission for god or christ blabla, think about it, ok?


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 Re: Re: Re: brouarrr

 
 by timbrown527 on: Sep 23 2003  
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Let me see if I understand what you are saying, ok?

You appear to be saying that there is "no ONE truth". In other words, all "truth" is relative and equally "true".

There are two schools of philosophy which attempt to get to "Truth". Western and Eastern. Western uses the law of non-contradiction and logic. Eastern uses "Both/And" which is the basis of much postmodern thought.

So, you have western that says two contradictory ideas cannot be true at the same time, and Eastern which says everything is equally true.

So, while it appears you are using the product of Eastern philosophy, you are using western philosophy to discredit that there is "one truth"?

So, in other words you claim to rest on the eastern system while wanting to hold on to western just to discredit it?

See an inconsistency???

Thanks,

Tim

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 Re: Re: Re: Re: brouarrr

 
 by flamy on: Sep 23 2003  
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no he is just simply saying stop imposing what you believe is the truth on other people so forcefully.

"and all higher life forms scythed away...nothing left but dust and fundamentalists"-Good Omens]

aaah we all love a bit of Mr Pratchett
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 Re: Re: brouarrrggghh!!!

 
 by leinir on: Sep 23 2003  
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Well, I will have to agree with the posts above... I may be gay, but I don't go around stuffing it down people's throats do I? There are so many much better ways of doing what you're trying to do. I have suggested it before... In stead of what you have done with this background, you could have in stead heeded the masses (i.e. look around and see what backgrounds get good marks), tried to create something to that effect, and if you really want to put the biblical reference on there, don't make it so big, it just looks plain silly. It's all fair mistakes that lots of people go through before figuring out that enormous, distracting text areas on backgrounds are a bad idea.
In short: Biblical quotes are not bad, it's just the way you have presented them lately.


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 Re: Re: brouarrrggghh!!!

 
 by lazychris2000 on: Sep 24 2003  
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rock on, tim! keep it up!


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 Re: Re: brouarrrggghh!!!

 
 by LikwuidIce on: Oct 28 2003  
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You've forgotten a 4th potential outcome. I'm atheist, but like to analyze little quotes like this from whatever religion spews them out. Just wanted to say thanks for a cool one.

However, on the flipside (And sorry if this comes across wrong, just wanna say it cause it came to mind) free software is more like a Universalist Church, whereas this backround represents a literal and verbatim biblical quote implying a stronger fundamentalist approach that in software form could appear more as proprietary.


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 Re: brouarrrggghh!!!

 
 by Groundhog3000 on: Sep 23 2003  
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Not to disagree, but I don't think a religious message would get the same responce from the average person as a picture of nude men (nor when used as a desktop in the workplace).

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 mhh...

 
 by kuba on: Sep 23 2003  
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without the "Job 38:31" bit I wouldn't have realised it something in the bible.


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 Re: mhh...

 
 by timbrown527 on: Sep 23 2003  
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Hi Kuba!

Yup, it sure is...although lots of people don't realize it, and many wish it weren't. It militates against presuppostions.

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Tim

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 Re: Re: mhh...

 
 by kuba on: Sep 24 2003  
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It's just I havn't read the bible


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 FYI

 
 by LMCBoy on: Sep 23 2003  
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Sorry, the Pleiades are not bound, if by "bound" you mean gravitationally stable against evaporation.


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 Re: FYI

 
 by timbrown527 on: Sep 23 2003  
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Well, I can supply other refs if you want, but to give a quick response, the following is from NASA:

"The Pleiades cluster is an "open" (or "galactic") cluster of stars about 400 light years from Earth. Open clusters are loosely bound together by gravitation, and usually contain young, bright stars."

Thanks,

Tim

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 Re: Re: FYI

 
 by LMCBoy on: Sep 23 2003  
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And in what way do you think that is any different from a description of the stars in Orion? The only difference is that the stars in Orion have had more time to disperse.


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 Re: Re: Re: FYI

 
 by timbrown527 on: Sep 24 2003  
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I appreciate your point. While Orion is loosed and therefore deteriorating, Pleaides is not. It is bound (c.f. "Frontiers of Astronomy" by Prof. F. Hoyle, p. 236, 238...etc.) In fact, estimates that I have seen estimate it will be bound for the next million years. It is not breaking up.

Tnanks for the discourse. I will be out this evening, so if you respond I may not get back to it for a bit.

Tim

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 Claptrap

 
 by opjose on: Sep 23 2003  
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Wow what a bunch of claptrap!

Obviously the poster knows very little about astronomy.

Of course one could find profound cosmological significance in a pile of pigeon droppings too, if they are so inclinded.

Go study the results of Kobe please.


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 Re: Claptrap

 
 by timbrown527 on: Sep 24 2003  
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>Obviously the poster knows very little about astronomy.

Well, acutally, my information comes from NASA and from research by Sir Fred Hoyle, etc.

The information is open for verification. If you can demonstrate that it is clearly wrong, please do, and supply references.

Thanks for your input regardless,

Tim

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 Re: Re: Claptrap

 
 by opjose on: Sep 24 2003  
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And taken completely out of context too!

A 400 LY cluster is only "weakly" interacting.

While in any cosmological direction you care to throw a stone at you can find multiple stars within a 0.01x ly radius that are "stongly" gravitationally interacting.

While I personally don't care what you believe in, taking good science and turning it into a convenient reaffirmation of your convictions by pure sophistry is abhorrent and downright EVIL!

Go be saved, blessed or washed or whatever you want, but just GO!


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 Re: Re: Re: Claptrap

 
 by timbrown527 on: Sep 24 2003  
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Well, Plaiedes is estimated to last another BILLION years before it starts to break up. (The Night Sky", Hodder & Stoughton, 1993, p 61)

Orion is already expanding.

That's the point. -- one is bound (however loosely) the other is not.

If you have DOCUMENTATION for the contrary, please supply it.

Thanks,

Tim

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 please...

 
 by muhulu on: Sep 23 2003  
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[disclaimer: i'm drunk]
do everyone a favour and stop posting that crap. the design sucks black holes through nano tubes, and the religious message doesn't belong here, IMHO of course. Go to church to say how much you love God etc pp. I don't give a s**t, as much as I don't care if anyone likes girls, boys or hmm. what else is there? Oh, God, I forgot. Scusi. Open your eyes, you just start flame wars...But some people will never get it, I suppose...


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 Re: please...

 
 by lazychris5000 on: Sep 24 2003  
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black holes through nanotubes??? what the heck r u talkin about?!
btw, I actually like the background....its simple, and if you actually stop and think about the message, it would make sense....stop shooting down people who create 'religious' wallpapers.


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 Re: please...

 
 by vettemph on: Sep 24 2003  
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With all due respect.

Yes, I'm sure there is a place out there somewhere that is appropriate for this "Shoving the message of someone elses god into other peoples faces" type of propaganda is considered acceptable. There is a time and a place for everything. This ain't the place.


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 Re: please...

 
 by timbrown527 on: Sep 24 2003  
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Well, actually, if you really didn't care, why have you put so much effort into responding? Usually indifference means you ignore something.

BTW, I used to get blasted once in a while, so I understand what can be said under the influence. Nothing personal taken from it.

Thanks,

Tim

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 Re: Re: please...

 
 by muhulu on: Sep 25 2003  
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I don't care what you believe in. Just keep it for yourself. I wouldn't say a word, if you had a Christian wallpaper on your PC at work. Just stop that propaganda on kde-look, please...


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 Okay

 
 by bipton on: Sep 24 2003  
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Proverbs 1:22-33

22 How long, you simple ones, will you love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?

23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit to you, I will make known my words to you.

24 Because I have called, and you refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;

25 But you have set at nothing all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear comes;

27 When your fear comes as desolation, and your destruction comes as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish comes on you.

28 Then shall they call on me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:

30 They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.

31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.

32 For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.

33 But whoever listens to me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.


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