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TuxCommielinux

  

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Submitted:  Jun 24 2003
Updated:  Jul 10 2003

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 Nice

 
 by Fingel on: Jun 24 2003  
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Hasta La Victoria Siempre!

I like :)


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 Re: Nice

 
 by paradoxz on: Jun 24 2003  
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haha Fingel...or should I say Che?


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 lol

 
 by paradoxz on: Jun 24 2003  
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haha Fingel...or should I say Che?


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 Re: lol

 
 by Fingel on: Jun 24 2003  
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You can call me Che if you want to, I wont complain ;)

For all of you who don't know, Che was a communist! Yes a big bad communist ooOOooh! Scary!

Again, nice work
www.che-lives.com


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 COOL GUY!

 
 by koelschejung on: Jun 24 2003  
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some further information...

http://www.today.ucla.edu/html/971010CheShow.html

of course a barefaced lie...


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 Re: COOL GUY!

 
 by Fingel on: Jun 24 2003  
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Yeah, I stopped reading that when I got to this part:
who ordered the execution of countless human beings while in charge of the notorious La Cabaña prison in Havana, who terrorized Cuban society and who denied freedom to thousands of citizens whom he considered "deviants" or "anti-revolutionaries" can never be accepted as a hero, martyr or -- the shock of it -- a saint.

Lies!


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 Re: Re: COOL GUY!

 
 by koelschejung on: Jun 24 2003  
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sure! haha!


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 Re: Re: Re: COOL GUY

 
 by Fingel on: Jun 24 2003  
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Don't believe everything you read in text books, especially if they were written in the US.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: COOL

 
 by koelschejung on: Jun 24 2003  
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So you know the truth? He fights against assholes, so he must be a saint. It's like math... yawn. He wasn't the nice guy.

However, let's drop the subject. It has little relation to kde ;-)



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 ROFL!

 
 by Khan on: Jun 24 2003  
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This is a good one. The satire is per-fect! I'm sure that the pigs in Redmond probably do think this of us. I can only shake my head and sigh aloud..."idiots.."


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 Good or bad...

 
 by jadrian on: Jun 24 2003  
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Well it is funny, on the other hand some guys might take that seriously... so that is a tie.
So lets look at the license, GPL. Does it make any sense? In my opinion NO, and it is current practice on this site.

So I'm voting it bad, sorry.
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 Re: Good or bad...

 
 by Fingel on: Jun 24 2003  
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How does being GPL not make sense. Just means I can take that wallpaper and do whatever I want to it. Sounds like communism to me. But then again, thats what Linux kinda is right?


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 Re: Re: Good or bad...

 
 by epoch on: Jun 26 2003  
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You probally shouldn't talk about freedom and communism in the same context really, this is a social movement of freedom, not authority :)

Anyway, if you wanted to be correct, your wallpaper would have stated GNU/Linux not just Linux.


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 Re: Re: Good or bad...

 
 by jadrian on: Jun 26 2003  
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GPL:
I've been reading the GPL to see if I am wrong about this. My conclusion is that maybe I am as it may apply to non-software works.
One of my questions is, what is the source code... well depending on how you made the picture, the picture itself might or might not be the source. In your case I think it makes sense to say it is.

Still I didn't like your answer at all because you say:
"Just means I can take that wallpaper and do whatever I want to it".
Wrong! GPL is not just that. It states what one can and what one *cannot* do with GPL'ed work, and there are many things that cannot be done.
So once again, unless you really know what you're doing, sometimes the best option is to leave that field blank, and not just put GPL because "every linux stuff is GPL anyway"... (and in case you're wondering, that is exactly what I would do, leave it blank).

COMMUNISM:
No, one thing has nothing to do with the other.
Well even if I'm wrong about the GPL I'm still glad I voted bad.

J.A.
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 Re: Re: Re: Good or

 
 by Fingel on: Jun 26 2003  
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Our General Public Licenses are designed to make sure that you have the freedom to distribute copies of free software (and charge for this service if you wish), that you receive source code or can get it if you want it, that you can change the software or use pieces of it in new free programs; and that you know you can do these things.

This is taken from the GPL. I see two things in the bold text. Distributed weath (source code if I may) and freedom to do what I want whith it, as long as I give credit to original author. What does that sound like to you? Definatly not capitalism.

Now the source of the picture would proably be all the layers used to put the picture together, assuming he did save a GIMP or PSD file without flattening it first. I would like to see people outting these Gimp or Phototshop files up if they really are GPL.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Good or

 
 by jadrian on: Jun 27 2003  
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"This is taken from the GPL. I see two things in the bold text. Distributed weath (source code if I may) and freedom to do what I want whith it, as long as I give credit to original author. What does that sound like to you? Definatly not capitalism."

No, you can not do what you want with it.
That is nowhere in the text. Again, there are lots of things you cannot do with GPLed stuff.

Again, communism has nothing to do with this. First we are talking about software and related stuff, not material welth, when I share it I still get to keep it all to myself.
But more important than that, I share what I want to share, I use the GPL when I want to, there are things I won't share and it is my right not to. Don't mix things.

"Now the source of the picture would proably be all the layers used to put the picture together, assuming he did save a GIMP or PSD file without flattening it first. I would like to see people outting these Gimp or Phototshop files up if they really are GPL."

Exactly, so I don't have any idea what he used to make it, since it is very simple I thought he might have used some paintbrush clone or something, I think that in that case the picture and the source could be the same.
Like you say, that might not be the case, it may have been done in GIMP or Photoshop, and in that case by not distributing the sources he is violating the GPL.

J.A.
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 by Fingel on: Jun 27 2003  
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Please, tell me what I can't do with GPL'ed material besides selling it or not giving credit where credit is due.
We are not talking about material wealth
In the world of free software and ideas that we indulge in everyday, what can be considered wealth? If anything it would be sourcecode. Good sourcecode makes better programs, which make life (our OS) faster, more productable and pleasurable. Not to mention, if you have good sourcecode you will get recognition. What does this sound like to you? MONEY. It's practicly the same thing, except with the GPL, its distributed equally among the people, Which brings me back to my original argument. : )


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 by jadrian on: Jun 30 2003  
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"Please, tell me what I can't do with GPL'ed material besides selling it or not giving credit where credit is due."

You got to be kidding. There are even restrictions regarding linkage of GPLed software with other software with incompatible licences. Come on, instead of posting do your homework.
And I don't even claim I'm an expert in licencing issues. I don't know that much compared to many people, still I know enough to see that you don't have any idea what you're talking about.

As for the rest of your comment, just read what I wrote again if you want an answer, all of it it, don't ignore/snip the important parts and you'll understand.

J.A.

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 by Fingel on: Jun 30 2003  
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You still haven't told me, and if you can't link GPL code with software that has incomplete licenses, thats not really GPL now is it? I'm not talking about anything else, I'm talking about having a single piece of GPL sotware, whats keeping me from doing what I want with it, besides the things I already mentioned. Mind you, I have read the entire GPL and thats all I've come accross (besides the usuall no copyright infringment blah blah)



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 Re: Good or bad...

 
 by johanneswilm on: Jun 26 2003  
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yes of course some take that seriously. And some of us, like me, are even communists (me not supporting Che or any of the selfproclaimed communist states however). Try reading some of Marx... communism and "the dictatorship of the proletariat" look a lot like the way the production is controlled in the OS environment.
I think it would be better to remove all the "soviet-alike" symbolism (well the hammer&sickle) so that all flavors of communists can enjoy it (put something else in there if possible). Anyways: also with the hammer&sickle I think it is great!


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 Communism = Good

 
 by paradoxz on: Jun 26 2003  
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What do you have against communism eh? The Marxist theory is far superior to that of the American Democracy...only people have yet to see what a true uncorrupt communist country can do.


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 Re: Communism = Good

 
 by OddFox on: Jun 27 2003  
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The problem with Communism and the concepts of a Democracy/Republic does not lie within the theories, but rather how they are executed. In practice, Communist states that lie true to their nature (In terms of economics) simply cannot sustain themselves as well as a Democracy/Republic. On paper, yes, Communism is one hell of a plan. In execution, it's quite impossible. Humans are not capable, and probably will not be for quite a long while yet, of bringing the idea to fruition in a proper fashion.

As for the wallpaper, and the Communist look-and-feel in general, I sure do love the whole red thing going on, of course. :)


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 Re: Communism = Good

 
 by dittohead on: Jul 10 2003  
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keyword here is "uncrorupt".

although quote unquote "american democracy" maybe less "superior", but the marxist theory, along with communism, socialism, facism etc. relies on an uncorrupt, sinless people and leaders, which cannot be found in humanity.

utopia does not exist, cannot exist without some divine influence that controls people's minds.

that is why democracy sort of works, it has safeguards against corrupt people (everyone is corrupt to a point however). a system of checks and balances keeps this country in line. something that communism doesn't have.

i use linux, i hate windows (and mac). and i'm a capitalist pig. so sue me.


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 New Mascot?

 
 by Chris308 on: Jun 26 2003  
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I think one of the things that is holding back gnu/linux from wide spread adoption is the view that it is the os of the poor, or envious socialists and/or communists. After all, one only needs to look at a few linux related web sites to realize that there is a strong loathing of capitalism in the linux community. This is unfortunate since linux has a lot to offer. As a proud capitalist/Republican, I see linux and the open source option as a way to practice good stewardship with the public's money. Our public insitutions should make every effort to find a free/low cost open source solution prior to purchasing expensive proprietary software. Not because they are anti-capitalist or following the linux religion, but as a way of efficiently using the funds intrusted to them. As a community of alternative os users, if we are not careful this could become the new mascot whether we like it or not.

Newsflash: apparantly our Army has not recieved this message. They just spent nearly 500 million dollars with Microsoft. The could have used opensource software and had enough money left over to buy 1/3 of a stealth bomber. I guess their loss is Iran's gain.


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 Re: New Mascot?

 
 by johanneswilm on: Jun 27 2003  
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I am sure any capitalist with respect for himself will use whatever system costs least in order to drive up the profits. Anyone getting a linux related job out of this will probably try to convince them that linux is the right thing. And I think it is the right thing for them to do.
I as a communists am however more interested in trying to get across the communist-scare and explain to people that the OS-production-model really is what Marx predicted would be the future mode of production which would be the main mode of production under socialism, but that a radical break with capitalism is neccesary at some point of time which is done by the workers of the capitalist companies taking over control over their own labor. Else any alternative mode of production will be crushed eventually by capitalists who seek higher profits (in this case: SCO, MS, etc.). I therefor think it is important not to copy everything Marx said, but certainly to use some of those insights if one wants OS to persist.


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 Re: New Mascot?

 
 by OddFox on: Jun 27 2003  
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I don't think we need a new mascot or anything. It's not Torvald's fault that many followers draw connections between point A (The GPL) and point B (Real-world Politics), and it's been quite successfully proven that Linux companies can survive.

Look at Red Hat, SuSE, etc... People know that Linux can survive in a capitalist market, because there will always be people who chose convenience and quality (In the form of formal support) over cheapness and simplicity. Besides, the Linux community (And I'm not saying this as an outsider, even though it sounds like I am) will sooner or later realize that unless they begin to show actual support for their precious angel, it's not going to grow nearly as much as it has the potential to.

Disclaimer: When I say Linux, look at the context, because it could be referring to the kernel, or a distribution.


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