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Every linux distribution got a package management. That is better than any installer on windows.

Re: Why an installer

by giri on: Jun 24 2006

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nothing is perfect and the superiority of linux package management is relative. thing twice nextime .. this ideas is nice for the newbees .. not for linux guru.

Re: Re: Why an insta

by ris on: Jun 24 2006

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Newbies are the people who need package management systems the most. They're not experienced enough to not hose their system's dependencies.

Re: Re: Why an insta

by RipClaw on: Jun 24 2006

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Newbies think in Windows ways.
They think they need something like an installer because they do not now it better.

A graphical packagemangementtool is like a unified installer for all packages, that exist for an distribution.

Re: Re: Why an installer

by anytimeIsLunchtime on: Jun 24 2006

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... then newbies should use klik.

As long. . .

by SouthernCross79 on: Jun 23 2006

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as it doesn't look like the Windows XP installer, I'm fine with it.

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Re: As long. . .

by giri on: Jun 24 2006

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are you scared of Bill's Windows :D do you have phobia from everything looks like XP?:D

Silly idea

by WishMaster on: Jun 23 2006

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That's really a silly idea. We should be proud of Linux' packet management.
Why should we switch to stupid Setup.exe like Windows although rpm & Co. work fine?

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Re: Silly idea

by giri on: Jun 24 2006

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silly? did you read the Description??? this idea is very suitable for the newbees but not for whom are linux guru. you should support any ideas which can make easier linux for newbees and can spread it around... think about it

Re: Re: Silly idea

by RipClaw on: Jun 24 2006

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Using an installer means to break the unified package management of a linux distribution. A lot of distributions (for example Ubuntu, Fedora, SuSE ...) use graphical frontends for package managment.
It is as easy as it could be.

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by rickvernam on: Jun 23 2006

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"installing apps (drivers or anything else) in the easiest way"

easiest is relative.
for windows users, the easiest way to install something is the way windows does it, b/c that i is what people have learned.
learn something new, and it too becomes easy.
you want to make it easy for newcomers to get to the top of the learning curve? write a guide.

What you are looking for is a comfortable way to install things. a method that users are comfortable with.
The current methods are comfortable for those how have climbed the learning curve, as evident by the fact that they exist and are used by the masses.
I suspect this is true for all installers, not just linux installers.

Re: difference

by silence on: Jun 24 2006

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I agree, easiest is realtive. When I first started using Linux, I found it frustrating with all the RPMs. Now I find it frustrating to have to click through all those next->next->next->next->next->next->install guides. Not only do you have to click all those buttons, you also have to find the right CD, download patches and updates, find a up-to-date version of directx because yours was outdated and now you have to start all over again etc etc. IMO, apt-get install koffice is simple. Or synaptic, if you like to have a GUI.

Re: Re: difference

by giri on: Jun 24 2006

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people from windows are used to use point and clicking the buttons next to next .. leave them if they are used to.

hehe winxp

by kedadi on: Jun 24 2006

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i didn't made the post for myself (i've been using linux for about 6 years and since than it's my default os), for me portage is extremely good, but for someone like my father shell is terrible (hehe for him, shell's name is ping, he uses win32's shell only to check network connectivity), he's never going to type:

emerge koffice

or

tar -xjvf koffice-1.5.tar.bz2
./configure
make
make install (these commands my father calls: writing a poetry)

so that's my point (and the percentage of people like my father "unfortunently" seems to be +90% :( )

Re: hehe winxp

by RipClaw on: Jun 24 2006

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Every thought about, that Gentoo ist not the only Linux distribution ?

For your father may be Ubuntu/Kubuntu is the right kind of distribution.

The graphical packagemanagementtools Synaptics or Adept are easy to use and there are a lot of packages to install.

Good idea IMHO

by johnrichardandrew on: Jun 24 2006

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Yes installing in Linux is pretty easy, and I know people claim that in windows you have to find all the drivers etc to get it to work.

Linux however unless you're very technically talented requires you to wait for somebody to make your distro's RPM. Not as good IMO, the rpm creator must get everything together and if he's too bust it's far easier on windows to do an install because every .exe works and if you don' have the driver, you can download the .exe and it works!

I complain about Apple breaking compatability between processors, Linux is worse frankly for any new user- we need some sort of universal installer whether than is universal RPMs or universal installation files like this.

Re: Good idea IMHO

by RipClaw on: Jun 24 2006

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If you want an universal installer you have to deliver all dependencies or the programm will fail.
You have to create something like Klik ( http://klik.atekon.de/ ).
The problem is that the programms will be very big if all is static linked.

And by the way, the problem with the programms on windows is, that they maybe provide thier own versions of a DLL with thier installer. Welcome to the DLL hell with a lot of different version of the same DLL.