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Clearlooks-More

  

Metacity Theme

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Link:  http://
Downloads:  7116
Submitted:  Jan 29 2006
Updated:  Feb 12 2006

Description:

The idea behind the theme is to make fit of window buttons to Clearlooks GTK theme.

IMHO, Clearlooks/Clearlooks2 metacity theme's buttons look alien to Clearlooks GTK theme. Clearlooks buttons look flat. Clearlooks2 is over-shiny, not matching to GTK theme. So that's why this theme appeared.

I also believe the theme does not bloat desktop with SELECTED color stripe (on focused window top).

INSTALL: The package contains two version of the theme - one with rounded window borders and one with squared. To correctly install both of them, extract archive content to ~/.themes folder.


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Changelog:

12 Feb:
- Made window corner's gradient connections more smooth.
- Better vertical centering of title.

08 Feb:
- Revisited shape of utility window, thanks 'bvc' for pointing me. Now it's also rounded; changed buttons aspect; increased font size.

07 Feb:
- Back to roots. Removed highlight with SELECTED color of focused window. I think bold window header font vs. shaded one would be enough to distinguish focuced window.

05 Feb:
- Changed button labels style to more traditional. Better for high resolution monitors.
- Fixed button shape in non-even areas (height or/and width).
- screenshot #2

04 Feb:
- Fixed shadows on buttons top.
- Fixed button rendering in small areas.
- Better button shape in big areas (Large toolbar font).

02 Feb:
- Reworked focused window border. Now it looks like focused text field border.
- Added missed 3d effect on maximized wingow borders.

31 Jan:
*Done under Sparrk influence* :)
- Fought 'plain grey', added 3d effects to border adges.
- Leaved alone 'insensitive look' for unfocused buttons. So things should be 100% consistent now.
- Added tiny border with SELECTED color around focused window. To overweight loss of such a nice but alien insensitive buttons.

30 Jan: Added version with squared window borders.




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 square corners

 
 by Cyyb on: Jan 29 2006  
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Would you consider making a version with all the corners squared?


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 Squared please !

 
 by Sekkyumu on: Jan 29 2006  
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Yeap, a squared one would be excellent !

Excellent Metacity anyway :).

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 Re: Squared please !

 
 by anauman on: Jan 30 2006  
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Okay :) done squared one. See INSTALL note above.


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 Re: Re: Squared plea

 
 by Sekkyumu on: Jan 30 2006  
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Ah thank you :).

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 Criticism

 
 by Sparrk on: Jan 31 2006  
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Since you asked for it. ;-)

Not separating the titlebar from the window background is not a good idea yet, since you cannot move the window by clicking on any part of the background. The titlebar is functionally a completely distinct element.
That's the reason we don't do it in Clearlooks, although I agree that it would look nicer.

By not "bloating" the desktop with selection color, you made unfocused windows look alien, because no other part of the Gtk theme uses the insensitive look for merely unselected items. Since you specifically complained about buttons looking alien, this is not much better.

The lack of a window icon is a further inconsistency and I don't particulary like the look of the button icons, but those are just details.

Finally I also think that it looks a little too dull. I'm all for flushing the titlebar with the window background (once Gtk is fixed to remove the functional difference), but once we do this, I think we should also make windows slightly more attractive than just a plain gray color.

I'm not saying that this is a bad theme, but I don't agree with your implication that this is "Clearlooks done right".


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 Re: Criticism

 
 by anauman on: Jan 31 2006  
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Thanks for feedback! Trully apreciate that.

Done some improvements about. (In changelog).


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 I disagree

 
 by BoneKracker on: Feb 3 2006  
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I don't think accessiblity of the window title bar functionality is diminished by blending it in. It is easy to see which portion of the window one can "grab" based on the height of the window title itself. While the presence of color or a divider does serve to suggest the functionality of a "handle", dragging windows around is so embedded in most of us that this is a small sacrifice.


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 Re: I disagree

 
 by Sparrk on: Feb 5 2006  
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It's not easy to see, it's easy to guess. Different thing.

"dragging windows around is so embedded in most of us that this is a small sacrifice"

Yes, but that doesn't make it any more correct. An interface which assumes knowledge from the user is a flawed interface. If you make the titlebar and window background look like one thing, there is no reason why the user shouldn't expect it to behave like one thing.

The artificial separation between the application and the window frame is something we really need to get fixed. Just covering it up is not a good solution.


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 Re: Re: I disagree

 
 by BoneKracker on: Feb 18 2006  
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Maybe you're right. Shortly after I posted that, I (twice) tried to drag a window by clicking slightly too low (i.e., in the window area).


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 Re: Re: I disagree

 
 by bvc on: Jul 15 2006  
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what would an "artificial separation between the application and the window frame" be??? This comment has come to mind many times since you posted it, and I have not been able to even imagine what you are talking about.


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 Re: Re: Re: I disagr

 
 by Sparrk on: Jul 15 2006  
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What I mean with that is that the titlebar and "rest of the window" are handled in two different ways (by different programs), when they are in fact both part of the same object from a user's perspective.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: I di

 
 by bvc on: Jul 15 2006  
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yes, but what could possible be done about that, is what I'm wondering?


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

 
 by Sparrk on: Jul 16 2006  
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In this case, allowing the actual window background to be dragged just like the frame.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

 
 by bvc on: Jul 16 2006  
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this would mean the interface would have to know the difference between when there's text we need to be able to copy and paste (for example) and not. The area left is not much (toolbar), and while it would be nice to not have to move the mouse another half inch, I don't see it as any issue at all. Any os diff? We have the Alt key, and while most users do not know they can use the alt key they do know that thingy (window border) is how they control the window (wm). So just because the bg[normal] and wm is the same, they still know. It's not like its a default theme. There's no flaw here, just personal preference.



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 screen

 
 by puelocesar on: Feb 5 2006  
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Can you upload screenshots?? I'm trying to upload the new screenshots of my theme but it gives an error..

Ho can help me with this? My old screenshots aren't very nice

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 Re: screen

 
 by anauman on: Feb 5 2006  
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Hi!
Yes, I've changed it twice today.
As I remember, I saw the same error (/www/www.kde-look.org/htdocs/content/edit.php on line 268) but it did not prevert me from uploading. I 100% sure I saw this error on my main tar.bz2 change.

My file rather small - ~50K and PNG format. Are you sure that your file size less then 300K as it's required? (Default screenshots are saved in PNG and usually takes more that 300K...)

I just pressed 'change' button on Scrrenshot1 part of edit form...


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 Re: Re: screen

 
 by puelocesar on: Feb 5 2006  
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I'm using a jpeg with 45k... it would't suposed to have errors

thanks

.. the theme score fallen 3 points... :(

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 Re: Re: Re: screen

 
 by bvc on: Feb 7 2006  
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The score falls when you do an update and everyone redownloads. Some kind of weird ratio thing I guess. Ratings are not at all accurate. Best way to judge is by number of downloads. I change my mind a lot, or screw up, and do a lot of updates so my ratings are lower than they would be if I didn't do so many updates.


My only complaint would be the insensitive buttons aren't. Only the border line changes.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: scre

 
 by anauman on: Feb 7 2006  
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bvc, Hi!

It's cool to see such a monster in "my" page . I'm amazed by your creativity.

Could you explain more your vision?:
"My only complaint would be the insensitive buttons aren't. Only the border line changes."

I'm not sure I completely get you. Your opinion viluable to me.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

 
 by bvc on: Feb 7 2006  
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thx for the kind words, but I'm just a wannabe hacker :D

This is what I mean.
http://kwh.kernow-gb.com/~bvc/theme/devel/cl-more.png
See, the buttons are not black and flow with the inactive title and border.


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 Unfocused buttons

 
 by anauman on: Feb 8 2006  
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Thank you for illustration. Understood.

This actually was the initial design of this theme. The first release of. When buttons in unfocused window looked 100% like GTK disabled buttons (insensitive). Looked exactly like 'button2' in 'The Widget Factory' application.

Then 'sparrk' argued (see his comment above) that this is inconsistent behavior for simply unfocused buttons. I agreed. That's why buttons do not change appearence in unfocused window state.

My goal with this theme was closest "integration" of GTK and metacity themes, so it'd hardly visually distinguisheable. It is becoming the whole.

Because of that I mimic GTK buttons view and behavior in metacity theme. GTK buttons don't turn out disabled when unfocused. Neither do mine buttons.

Though I agree, that your and mine initial design look visually more appealing.

BTW, what's the tool in screenshot you used? Something with themes drop-down.
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Thanks for pointing me to utility window issue. Fixed.



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 by bvc on: Feb 9 2006  
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Well, sorry, but that make absolutely no sense since it's backwards. Inactive/insensitive fonts are embedded in every aspect of every os/gui like....since gui :D The wm should behave the same, no doubt. Since the only diff between you active and inactive windows is 1px and font, there's really nothing to obvious saying hey!...I'm the active one!



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

 
 by bvc on: Feb 9 2006  
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oh, the info in the terminal is done with this script.
http://kwh.kernow-gb.com/~bvc/theme/docs/info.txt



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

 
 by Sparrk on: Feb 9 2006  
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What doesn't make sense? The grayed-out look is only used for insensitive widgets in Gtk, but unfocused window titlebars are not insensitive. I agree that focused windows don't stand out a lot with this theme now, but this just shows how complicated things get when one aims for 100% consistency.

Often it can be positive to create some inconsistency, as long as it doesn't lead to potential confusion. In other words, elements that look the same should also behave the same, but elements that behave the same don't necessarily have to look the same.



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 by bvc on: Feb 9 2006  
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Sparrk ="Often it can be positive to create some inconsistency, as long as it doesn't lead to potential confusion. In other words, elements that look the same should also behave the same, but elements that behave the same don't necessarily have to look the same."

That is what I mean, and I already explained why it doesn't make sense

bvc ="Inactive/insensitive fonts are embedded in every aspect of every os/gui like....since gui :D The wm should behave the same, no doubt. Since the only diff between you active and inactive windows is 1px and font, there's really nothing to obvious saying hey!...I'm the active one!"

Clearlooks has color to say hey! This theme doesn't, so it needs inactive buttons.
Simple.



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 what's the software

 
 by anauman on: Feb 9 2006  
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bvc,
I meant what's the software on this screenshot?
http://kwh.kernow-gb.com/~bvc/theme/devel/cl-more.png
Thanks.



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 by bvc on: Feb 11 2006  
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all I did was make 2 directories, open them, take screenshots with the gimp, and edit the inactive buttons. What software?



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 by bvc on: Feb 7 2006  
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Oh, and something I just learned is that utility windows can not be round. To see one, open gimp>file>preferences>window management 'window manager hints' and change to 'utility windows'. Restart gimp.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

 
 by bvc on: Feb 8 2006  
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Yikes! ...and I thought they could not be round. Wonder how I came to that conclusion?
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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

 
 by bvc on: Feb 9 2006  
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I came to that conclusion because the round theme I was trying to get to work (Unity), looked bad round and small. Utility windows are supposed to be a lot smaller vertically, supposedly.



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 Re: Re: screen

 
 by puelocesar on: Feb 5 2006  
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HEY! it shows the correct shot now!!

:D

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 Well done

 
 by alex100 on: Feb 9 2006  
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Really a good idea.
The only thing that distrubs me, are the icons.

Maybe you should consider making our own ones, those default icons do look a bit too ugly for that nice theme.


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 Re: Well done

 
 by anauman on: Feb 9 2006  
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Thanks for your comment.

Do you mean icons on the buttons?

What design whould you suggest? May be screenshot.

Icon on menu button resembles one from GTK controls. Close button icon - mirrored menu. The rest are traditional.

People tend to more traditional experience. See fall of my 'Avant-qarde' metacity theme :)


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