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Submitted: Sep 23 2003
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Not until the advent of astronomy did we discover that Pleiades is a "loosely bound" system, while Orion is "loosed". Yet thousands of years ago, via the inspiration of God, Job told us what we would find.

Scriptural reference is from the NASB, which is a literal translation from the original Hebrew, where the Lord asks Job if he is capable of doing what He had already done.

Presented from a believer to other believers to build us all in our trust in God's Word.

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Added second paper...Omega nebula background with smaller insets for the Pleiades and Orion.

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Ah...!

by reks on: Sep 25 2003

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Enjoyd reading all the postings :-) Leaves me wondernig though... God said so much about orion and that tiny silly cluster nearby, why didnt he/she tell anybody that earth was going around the sun? Why didn't he/she tell anybody that earth is like a sphere? - Thats a serious, ok? Do you know how many people were tortured byt he chuchr in Europe (few centuries ago) because they said earth is not the center of the solar system? Why did he/she stop his/her lecture after Orion and Pleides? Job had slept of by then? that can happen. We all have slept in class rooms..

One more question. Do you believe in UFOs?

Am sorry if I said anything offensive.. got a little drunk after I cleared my phd today - that too in astronomy! hehe.. not joking... if you want I can send you my big fat thesis with lots of pictures and all.

Goodnite.

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Re: Ah...!

by timbrown527 on: Sep 25 2003

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Why didn't he/she tell anybody that earth is like a sphere?

Actually, the bible teaches this. See my wallpaper re:Earthsphere.

FYI, there's lots of other stuff like that too, if you wish to discuss it!

Thanks...and I do believe in UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS...but not flying saucers...

Tim

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Re: Re: Ah...!

by reks on: Sep 25 2003

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ok Tim, now am not drunk :-) and if you wish to discuss, we can very well do.. but not in this forum. I'll reply to your email address. Is that fine?

Best wishes...

--R
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by timbrown527 on: Sep 25 2003

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Sure!

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Re: Ah...!

by timbrown527 on: Sep 25 2003

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Sorry, I forgot to add that Job 26:7 also says that the world is "hung on nothing". Good enough?

RE: persecution of those who diagreed with "tradition". Yes, that was wrong. Horribly wrong. But that doesn't prove that Christianity is false.

First, you have to understand what "christianity" is. The word has come to mean almost anything and therefore nothing. A "Christian" is one who has been supernaturally been "reborn" spiritually, having turned from sin and embracing Christ as savior and Lord. These are the real "Christians"...not an official "church" somewhere. It's lumping that event together with biblical Christianity that leads to the confusion you are talking about.

Jesus tought that a true believer is one who obeys Him. If you see someone who is going around murdering people, you know that their profession of faith is most likely false. Example: recently a man wa s put to death for killing an abortion doctor. He claimed to be a christian yet showed no repentance for his act. That is inconsistent with the faith. Was he for real? Only the Lord knows...but there is good reason to doubt he was really a believer. The peripheral tragedy is that people (like yourself) are given the idea that this is what CHristianity is about. It is most assuredly not.

Thanks again,

TIm

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by muhulu on: Sep 25 2003

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"hung on nothing" can also mean, that earth sits on the back of a turtle :) or that it's "just there" [tm]. It doesn't imho imply that people at that age knew that earth is a sphere floating in space around a star and that there are galaxies all around, which are expanding (unbound) and collapsing (bound)... so much in the Bible has to be interpreted. That's why there are theologians, I guess.
BTW, why I'm soo much against that stuff, and always post in those threads. I lived in a Canadian mormon family for half a year and it was hell. Really. They were as evangelizing as you. Always praying, praising God, asking me why I don't want to believe all the time, and after a couple of months giving up on it and mobbing me.
That's my little story about Christians...

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by timbrown527 on: Sep 25 2003

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Oh, give me a break! That's pretty plain imagery. He said that it IS hung...but on nothing...which is what it looks like from space. Let's not try to group this statement in with other (fallacious) suggestions.

If you really are determined to NOT believe, no matter what the evidence, then that is your choice. No need to get into the historical/archeological evidence that further points to the accuracy of the Bible. It would be a waste of your time and mine.

Thanks anyway,

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by timbrown527 on: Sep 25 2003

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About your experience with mormonism. Again, there is some confusion about what "Christian" is. Mormonism looks like, but is not, "christian".

I don't know what all you know about the Gospel. The plain fact is that God, through CHrist, calls everyone to a personal relationship with Him. That's what you were made for.

Blaise Pascal said that "Inside every human being is a God-shaped vacuum that only God, as revealed through Jesus Christ can fill." That's why people become addicted to things that aren't even necessarily biologically addiective. They are trying to fill that hole. Rich people, famous people, piling up bucks, cars, etc., then saying "I'm still not happy." There's a reason. Blaise Pascal just said why.

You are responsible for your personal decision. All I'm doing is giving evidences that whisper "God". You know, yesterday when I was answering a guy's message (a few rungs up from this one...I think "Meaningless" is the title), I thought of adding a couple more evidences...but I ignored it. Lo and Behold, when I came back, someone asked a question about those very specific evidences...out of all the evidence that I am aware of, what are the odds?

If you are looking for God to come down and say "HERE I AM...I'VE PROVEN MYSELF TO YOU" that's not faith. That's not even humility.

The Bible, ultimately, is not about "The Stars, Globular Clusters and the Chart of the Elements". It is about God on a Mission to save Mankind. It just happens to give enough information to those who are seeking so that they can see they can trust it.

When you take your car to the guy who changes the oil, you don't make him PROVE he can do it this time, you see a tendency to do things right and you TRUST that he will continue the pattern when he gets to yours. The bible gives us even more assurance than that.

I don't know what kind of legalism you may have faced growing up. You may have had some bad experiences. But please don't confuse that with Christianity. And, don't chose to harden your heart against the One who loves you so much that He died for you.

Take care,
Tim

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by muhulu on: Sep 26 2003

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Please gimme some of that stuff... seriously, you're sooo narrow minded and focused on the "only truth" that's written down in the Bible, that you can't accept any other opinions. The Bible is an ordinary book, written a couple of hundred years ago (~18 hundred I guess). I know, that a couple of things were already proven to have existed at that time. There are some accurate things. But the Bible is far from being evidence that God "is". It's all a matter of interpretation. Some see the Bible as a (at least partly) historical book, others, well...I rather see it as Chinese whisper. Everything gets a little bit exaggerated.
EOD ;)

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by timbrown527 on: Sep 26 2003

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Good morning!

If I seem to be "narrow minded" then that may be because the truth claims of Christ are narrow. In fact, the nature of "Truth" is inherently narrow. This flys in the face of postmodernism which tries to say that "all truth claims are equally true". I know, this is called "bigotry" and "arrogant". But that doesn't change the nature of Truth. I often wonder what would happen if a doctor told some postmodernist that the "only way" to get rid of a medical problem was a very risky procedure. "Aren't you being too narrow?...there are many ways to get rid of this."

Someone far wiser than me has said that if we had 3000 ways to God, we'd want 3001 simply because we demand autonomy. He is right!

There are many people from the past (as opposed to being from the future????) who have claimed to be from God and claimed to make statements for God. The Old Testament says basically that anyone who does something like that and then what they say doesn't happen, they are false. In other words, real "prophets" make predictions that come true without fail.

I have here in my hand, a book by Grant R. Jeffrey entitled "Armageddon, Appointment with Destiny". What he says in the early part of this book has been echoed by many others. Here is a sketch.
We know Jesus Christ lived. Secular history (Josephus, Turtullian, etc) confirms this. We also know what he did, from the Biblical record (in any court of law, it is acceptable for the defense to testify on his/her own behalf...and the New Testament has already been confirmed by archaeology as historically accurate). As a matter of fact, through history, countless (I don't mean that as an exaggeration) have set out to tear down the Bible and became converts to Christianity because of the accuracy they found. Sir WIlliam Ramsay, for example did so while on a mission to destroy the credibility of the Gospel of Luke. He discovered how accurate Luke is and how true Luke's statement is in the early verses of Luke, where he said "It seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning to write it out for you in consecutive order...so that you may know the EXACT truth about the things you have been tought." HIstory and archaeology has confirmed that is what Luke accomplished. So, the defense has spoken, and has been found true by those without a vested interest in "finding something".

Let's just take 11 prophecies regarding the life of Christ. I get this from the book I mentioned earlier. According to the old testament, the Messiah that was to come would:

Be born in Bethlehem (1 chance in 200)

Be preceded by a messenger (1 in 20)

Enter Jerusalem on a colt (1 in 50)

Be betrayed by a friend (1 in 10)

Have his hands and feet pierced (1 in 100)

Be wounded by His enemies (1 in 25)

Be sold for 30 pieces of silver (1 in 100)

Be spit on and beaten (1 in 10)

Have his betrayal money thrown in the temple and given for a potter's field (1 in 200)

Be silent to His accusers (1 in 100)

Be Crucified with thieves (1 in 100)

That is ONLY 11. There are MANY more, such as being offered gall as a drink while dying on the cross. Also, note that He did NOT have control over some of this, so a person can't just say "Well, he knew this stuff and knew what to do..." No. that doesn't work.

Anyway, the COMBINED probability of all this is ONE CHANCE in 10 to the 19th POWER.
that is like
one in 10,000,000,000,000,000,000.

And again, doesn't deal with other prophecies.

Others who have calculated the odds on similar parameters have reported that it is like covering the state of Texas 1 foot deep with silver dollars, one of which has a dot on it. Then have a sky diver drop down, land and just pick it up.

If that happened, we'd say it was rigged. Yes, God did it.

This is only ONE small example. Not any one thing stands on it's own...the issue of the earth being a sphere, the issue of being hung on nothing, a reference to plate tectonics (I'd have to hunt that one down), none of these things stand on their own. But taken together, it becomes much more obvious.

I don't remember precisely what evidence you may be asking for, but I'll let you remind me. Furthermore, I had entered more in this response, but my connection got timed out and I lost it; and now I am not sure what else I had added. I'm sure you understand what I'm talking about.

If it comes back to mind, I'll put it here.

Anyway, just a few things to consider.

Blessings to you,

Tim

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Other thoughts....

by timbrown527 on: Sep 26 2003

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Remember, the Bible is NOT "a book", but rather a collection of 66 books. Add to that the fact that the Old Testament was written over a very long period of time, by many different authors who did NOT consult each other.

Think about this...take a number of authors and ask them to write a book about GOD and what he has done...and what He is like. You'll get as many different answers as you have authors. BUT the bible is not like this. It is in harmony with itself.

The disciples, while Christ was alive, were a bunch of scaredy cats. Peter even denied Christ three times when asked if he knew Christ, once by a woman who posed no threat. However, after the death of Christ, all but one of the disciples, John, died a martyr's death for the sake of Christ. We know this from not only scripture but other writings. What made the difference? 1 Corinthians 15, in the first few verses it records that Christ rose from the dead and appeared to many, including one group of 500 people.

Now, we KNOW christ lived, we KNOW Christ was crucified (again, not just from the Bible). The tomb is empty (well, except for the burial cloths)....what happened to the BODY?

If you can disprove the ressurrection, you can destroy Christianity.

Ok, what is a religion? What do people mean by a religion? Well, I don't see myself as "religious"...I don't do a mass, I don't do candles and chanting, etc. I have a relationship with the Risen Lord.

I can't "prove" God, but I can pile evidence upon evidence.

You know, when I see a car come down the street, I don't think "Gee, that's a nice car, I think I'll wait for one to pop into existence right here in my drive". I know I have to get one from the dealer who got one from the MANUFACTURER.

When we see things around us, such as a monolith, we don't think it just appeared. We know that is silly. Yet, somehow, something like PEOPLE, who are far more complex, happened by accident? From nothing? On it's own?

I'm giving you evidence for what I believe. It is verifiable. Any theory, much less something proclaimed as fact (such as evolution in the public school system) should be able to be verified by hard evidence to basic questions. Evolution claims to be based on science.

For example, for any given organism, which evolved first, the drive to eat, the stomach, the digestive tract, or the ability of the stomach to resist the acids that dissolve the food? How did the first organisms keep from bleeding to death until clotting evolved??? If they couldn't live, how could they evolve?

Here's an easy one: Where is the fossil for the Darwin fish?

Please don't misunderstand. I'm not trying to be nasty and humiliate anyone...but many claim that Christianity is just "empty headed religion" Yet I can give you more good hard evidence for what I believe than "scientists" can for evolution...which by the way started in the third century by (Epicurius???) who simply wanted to have a way to live as he pleased...he didn't start it based on any science. I'll check to see if it was epicurius.

Again, blessings to you. Don't take me as being agressive, I'm just trying to help you see what's going on.

Thanks,

Tim

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by timbrown527 on: Sep 28 2003

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Yup, Epicurus. He was a hedonist.

Evolutionary ideas can be tracked back to Epicurus, who did not arrived at his ideas from science, but from preference. And after all these years, even with our 'advanced' science, we still can't show the hypothesis true through the Scientific Method, which is how an hypothesis is SUPPOSED to be shown to be true. Yet, evolution is being tought as fact, while not scientifically shown to be true. It's just a theory.

Even Darwin was deeply disturbed by the lack of fossil evidence. And, of course, if are tons of missing links, then there should be tons of fossils for them. Where are they? After more than 100 years, where are they?

If I told you that the car you see me driving just "popped into existance" from nowhere on it's own into my driveway, you'd rightly think I was a fruit loop escaped from a cereal box. Yet, this is the root of evolutionary thought. I don't believe that. When is the last time you saw this happen?

If this is true, then you'd better look more than two ways before crossing the street -- it may happen again!

You have to wonder, what are the motives for believing this without evidence? Political ends for certain movements who don't want a God and with it Right and WRong? No Accountability for how you live?

Anyway, just a few more notes and wanted to confirm Epicurus.

Thanks for your time,

Tim

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by Soyburg on: Oct 28 2003

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If you can disprove the ressurrection, you can destroy Christianity.

QUR'AN CHAPTER 4:

"And because they said, "We have killed the Messiah, Eisa the son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah" they did not slay him nor did they crucify him, but a look-alike was created for them; and those who disagree concerning it are in doubt about it; they know nothing of it, except the following of assumptions; and without doubt, they did not kill him."

Without crucification there is no resurrection, right? And it says there wasn't in the Qur'an. Proven, I'd say.

Evolutionary ideas can be tracked back to Epicurus, who did not arrived at his ideas from science, but from preference. And after all these years, even with our 'advanced' science, we still can't show the hypothesis true through the Scientific Method, which is how an hypothesis is SUPPOSED to be shown to be true.

I won't bother you with any links to the contrary since you are resistant to reason, as you have proven to me during our last conversations. And by the way: The EU isn't a "revived Rome". Rome is nowadays found in Washington D.C.

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by nirvanix on: Oct 28 2003

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If you want to cause less disturbances with your material, please clearly title it as something of a Christian nature so that some can bypass it. You say above that we don't have to look at it, but I opened it thinking it was something about astronomy, not someone insensitively pushing their religious views on others. It seems as if you want to 'get' people to open it up unknowingly so that you can cause a reaction. I am of a religion other than Christian and you're really making me feel uncomfortable at kde-look.

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by python on: Oct 28 2003

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When you're going to do something a bit more interesting like book of revelations, burning churches, satanic images or such more exiting stuff? This "christ/buddha/alienfromanitherplanet saved my life" stuff gets boring. Good for you, but get hell out of kde-look and keep your religious shit with you and stop telling that crap to others. Thank you.

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Howdily-doodily-do

by Flanders on: Oct 29 2003

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Hi Tim. I think it would be better if you posted your material on another, more appropriate website. No doubt there will be some Christian sites that would happily post your work and you would be reaching an audience that actually cares about your message. Most visitors of KDE-look won�t be interested and may even be offended since people from many different cultural and religious backgrounds use this site. In my opinion . If people want to know about Christianity they will use Google to find a Christian website. Posting it on KDE-look only causes a lot of irritation, which means your wallpaper may actually have the opposite effect you intended. No one likes a pushy salesman.

P.S.
The church has great difficulty in recognizing evolution but not with stars that have been proven to much older than our own solar system?

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by timbrown527 on: Oct 29 2003

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I think you need to go back and read why I put this here..

Presented from a believer to other believers to build us all in our trust in God's Word.

...and there are plenty of them here...

As for the rest...thanks for your opinion.

Tim

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by Flanders on: Oct 29 2003

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Hi Tim. If you want to present your work to other believers wouldn't it be more appropriate to post your wallpapers on a religious site?

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by timbrown527 on: Oct 29 2003

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...and there are plenty of them here...and this is, after all, an open forum.

As for the rest...thanks for your opinion.

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by Flanders on: Oct 29 2003

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Hi Tim,
I an earlier comment I suggested it would be more appropriate for you to post your work on a Christian website instead of KDE-look as that is where your target audience, other believers, will be found. To this you replied:

�..and there are plenty of them here...and this is, after all, an open forum.�

First of all: yes this is an open forum, but for KDE art related subjects, not religion. Of course you are free to express your religious feelings and opinions, but I think this is not the right forum to do that.
Secondly you say there are plenty of believers here that are interested in your religious art. I personally think they will only represent a small fraction of the KDE-look users. Maybe it is time for a new poll on KDE-look. Do we, the KDE-look users, want to see religious art like Tim is posting on KDE-look or do we want KDE-look to remain a neutral place where people from all different cultural and religious backgrounds can find artwork for their KDE without being confronted by religious or political propaganda?

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by timbrown527 on: Oct 29 2003

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Hmmm.

Linuxbunny is kde related? Nude male pics are kde related? Tux is kde related? Just how do you define KDE art?

Not appropriate? According to whom?

...and it's a poll about tim and his art, not just a certain type of paper?

Sounds tolerant to me! SO much for accepting all cultural and religous backgrounds!

You know, I know a user here by the name of Soyburg (who oddly enough has used the word "Flanders" when messaging me...and I see you are a "brand new user"...go figure!). Anyway, HE said in a general discussion forum that people who don't like this work should just ignore it.

Don't you agree? I think that's what I've been doing with many things here.

By the way, I'll let you tell the 200+ Believers here that they really don't count.

Thanks,

Tim

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by timbrown527 on: Oct 29 2003

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...by the way, I think it would be simple enough for you to ask if KDE will Officially accept religious art...no need to lower yourself to using loaded words like "propoganda". When you do that, you are just showing how you want them to vote. not exactly neutral.

Tim

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by Flanders on: Oct 29 2003

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Tsk tsk�.touchy. You have a point regarding other wallpapers on this site not being KDE related. Maybe KDE-look should just scrap the wallpapers section since wallpapers are by their nature not KDE specific unlike styles, window decorations etc.
As for me saying �not appropriate� I said it would be MORE appropriate to post your work on a religious site where you will find more of your intended audience.
Secondly I suggested a vote on religious art (not just Christian) using your work as example, so I did suggest a vote on certain type of paper not just your work. Maybe this got lost in the translation since English is not my first language or you just didn�t read very carefully.
As for me telling the 200+ Believers here that they really don't count, that is nonsense. I suggested a vote so the �believers� will have every opportunity to express and register their opinion. (In Europe we call this democracy)
As for ignoring your work this is sadly no longer possible since it seems to have quite a negative effect on KDE-look. You only have to look at the latest postings and discussions to see what I mean. How long will it be before we will have a clash of religions on this site? In my opinion it would be best to keep religion and politics out of KDE-look. But again, since I am not the only user of this site I am suggesting a vote.

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You know, I know a user here by the name of Soyburg (who oddly enough has used the word "Flanders" when messaging me...and I see you are a "brand new user"...go figure!).

1.) You don't know me.

2.) I used the word "Flanders" because you behave exactly like the neighbour of Homer Simpson. Who is a charcter in a tv series I enjoy. (My nick here is Soyburg. Which is a bad spelled version of the name of the doctor in Futurama. Another series by Matt Groening.) Obviously others did get the same kind of impression about you.

3.) "Brand new user" and "go figure"... It seems you are implying that I made up an alter ego here. Which is complete and utter bullshit. If I ever I have anything to post in response to your stuff, it will bear my name (Soyburg). It is the nick I have posted under since I started posting on this site. I have no plans to discontinue this tradition. I am an atheist and a geologist and am simply offended by your posts for the following reasons

a) Religious content is as bad as political content. Do as you please but please stop and wonder when tomorrow 5 million hindus, buddhists, jews, taoists, muslims and north koreans will start posting their stuff. I simply think that you are setting a bad example. And continue to do so. Those people posting sexual content are not to my gusto either. But they usually stop after two or three posts. And you and I know that you are on a misison from god, so no stopping to be expected anytime soon from you.

b) I do not really care for your wallpapers on an artistic level. I think most of them are poorly made. A good example for what I mean is your first wallpaper in this post. The blue one. It is poorly done in my opinion. It reminds me of the early 80s, when computer graphics sucked. Which makes me wonder why you put this up here and whether you are spending more time thinking about the right quote than about he right graphics. You did some pretty good ones though. Job's hydrology (or whatever the title) was a good one in my opinion. Maybe you took more time for that one. Please continue to do so.

c) You keep denying scientific facts. Not once or twice but continuously. You deny evolution, you deny the age of our planet and you are resistant to any kind of link I send you which represents the findings of the vast majority of scientists. (And when I say vast I mean vast.) Which means that you do not only offend me on a religious (difficult cause I have none) level, but also on an intellectual and scientific one. You show no signs of ever having studied a science and keep quoting the bible to ensure me that yours is the right view. And you keep pointing to obnoxious pseudo-archeological discoveries to back up your point. To sum it up: You insult my intellect.

d) What I especially do not like about your posts is that you never give due credit. You find something (which took hard work to create from someone) in the public domain and put some quote on it. You do not _ever_ give dues or links to the persons who created the images you use. This post is a fine example for that. It's true that you do not need to do so (according to Stanford's and NASA's copyright notice) but they make the request that they be mentioned. Which in my opinion is a reasonable request. Which you do not honor. That is in my opinion not illegal but poor style. Maybe some time in the future you will create something genuine and somebody whom you don't agree with slaps his quote onto it without mentioning you. Maybe you'll understand then.

e) You say that you clearly mark you posts to be religious or christian or whatever it is that they are. Please take the time to click on this post in the main view of the website. Please think about how long one will have to read on to the _third_ paragraph where you mention that this is for other believers and then think how long the usual visitor will take to just click on the preview (which is probably what most visitors do). I'd say it is not clearly labeled. Do so and I will shut up. (Except when you start to deny modern science which you frequently do).

4.) The fact that you suspected me of posting under an alter ego is exactly what Stalin and Chruschchow (whatever the spelling may be) experienced during their stay in power. It is called paranoia. So I guess there is hope.

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by Soyburg on: Oct 30 2003

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...and it's a poll about tim* and his art, not just a certain type of paper?*

Damn, you are right. It is just about a certain type of wallpaper. Of which you are the most visible proponent of. I say skip Athens, skip the free will of the people. Rule Tim. Time be our saviour.

No seriously. You accused me of having posted under a different name (Flanders). So I tried to figure out what made you think so. And I looked at the persons most in favor of your posts and found some of the most eloquent ones to have joined here after you did. Which happened in the middle of August. I would never accuse you of using alter egos, but the fact that you did accuse me made me think.

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by timbrown527 on: Oct 30 2003

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Goodbye Soyburg...

Tim

Christ is my LIFE...
The rest is just trumpets...(oh, and Linux!)
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by tickleboy on: Oct 29 2003

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Sorry Flanders... I don't agree with you either. The internet is built upon a free-speach paradigm and kdelook.org is no different. I for one was thrilled to see this kind of stuff here while I'm not so thrilled about the sexual content that occurs. So what do you say? Should we create one web site for Christian material, one for sexual content, one for wallpapers that include animals, etc??? But then you can't have just one web site for those topics either because then the homosexual crowd won't want heterosexual material and Tux won't want to be associated with the MSN butterfly. Do you see what I'm getting at? Wallpaper is wallpaper.... don't like it? Move on, or even better, try thinking about why your feelings are so strong towards this.

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by timbrown527 on: Oct 29 2003

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try thinking about why your feelings are so strong towards this.

thanks; I'm glad you noticed this too.

Thanks for the support.

Tim

Christ is my LIFE...
The rest is just trumpets...(oh, and Linux!)
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by Flanders on: Oct 30 2003

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"try thinking about why your feelings are so strong towards this"

I guess its because I live in a densely populated country (The Netherlands) where people from many different cultural and religious backgrounds have to live peacefully together.........

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by lazychris2000 on: Oct 30 2003

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if the netherlands can live like that, why can't kdelook?

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by alethia on: Oct 29 2003

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censorship? From your postings, that is what you are aluding to. Why should Tim brown's work be censored? If you don't agree with the message placed in his work, don't use it. Yes, art work on KDE-Look.org with a Christian theme is a minority, but why should it be stopped? How about this as a vote. Anything that is not KDE should be banned. No Linux, NO Tux, No BSD!!!! Only KDE! And no message of any kind, NO favorite Color, No landscapes, No Images unless they are KDE. Here's a thought, why not just use window$ with a plain blue ugly backgroud. After all, that wouldn't offend anyone. Opps, I forgot the color blind. Sorry.

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by timbrown527 on: Oct 29 2003

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Thanks Alethia, you hit it on the nose.

Tim

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The rest is just trumpets...(oh, and Linux!)
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by lazychris2000 on: Oct 30 2003

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couldnt have said it better...

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by uninet on: Oct 30 2003

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Doesn't anyone think it is getting terribly uninteresting to keep discussing "should they, shouldn't they, should they, shouldn't they"? KDE-Look has clearly never wanted to censor anything. Even for those who disagree with this artwork (disclaimer: I do agree with it, keep up the good work, Tim!) at least you don't have to worry about getting in trouble with a company's sexual harassment policy for viewing this at work... you might just get that with some of the other stuff here.

Now, as Tim asks below, there is the question of what is KDE artwork. This question has been asked here on KDE-Look so many times it just ain't funny. The majority of users have made it clear they don't want a site that only has artwork that has the KDE gear slapped on it (for that matter, this often leads to artwork that looks like it had a gear added to it just to be "KDEish").

This site has had anti-US wallpaper, anti-Microsoft wallpaper, etc. and no one complains. Someone below mentions that Tim doesn't give credit (which apparently is allowed by NASA, etc.). On the other hand, I don't see lots of people complaining when Apple's copyrighted icons and such get posted in huge collections. Where's the outrage? Where's the "get rid of this off KDE-Look" attitude then?

-Tim

"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." -Jim Elliot
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by Flanders on: Oct 29 2003

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Tsk tsk�.touchy. You have a point regarding other wallpapers on this site not being KDE related. Maybe KDE-look should just scrap the wallpapers section since wallpapers are by their nature not KDE specific unlike styles, window decorations etc.
As for me saying �not appropriate� I said it would be MORE appropriate to post your work on a religious site where you will find more of your intended audience.
Secondly I suggested a vote on religious art (not just Christian) using your work as example, so I did suggest a vote on certain type of paper not just your work. Maybe this got lost in the translation since English is not my first language or you just didn�t read very carefully.
As for me telling the 200+ Believers here that they really don't count, that is nonsense. I suggested a vote so the �believers� will have every opportunity to express and register their opinion. (In Europe we call this democracy)
As for ignoring your work this is sadly no longer possible since it seems to have quite a negative effect on KDE-look. You only have to look at the latest postings and discussions to see what I mean. How long will it be before we will have a clash of religions on this site? In my opinion it would be best to keep religion and politics out of KDE-look. But again, since I am not the only user I am suggesting the democratic way: a vote.

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"Touchy" can be very appropriate in a believer's life. And I get touchy around hypocrisy, which is very ugly.

You seem to want "Tolerance" but don't care to show it to those who don't share your views. That is an illustration of what hypocrisy is.

If you don't like it; pass it by! Vote it down!

Can you do that?

Tim

Christ is my LIFE...
The rest is just trumpets...(oh, and Linux!)
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by Flanders on: Oct 29 2003

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Hi Tim,

I understand you don't like my criticism and need to blow off some steam. That's okay. You write:

"You seem to want "Tolerance" but don't care to show it to those who don't share your views. That is an illustration of what hypocrisy is."

First of all: did you read my comment? You don't seem to get the point. Secondly: I am willing to accept any outcome of a vote, be it in agreement with my views or not. Is that hypocrisy? I get the impression that it is you who has a tollerance problem since you don't seem to be able to deal with criticism from others.

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by timbrown527 on: Oct 30 2003

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...and I leave you with whatever you wish to think.

Bye Flanders.

Tim

Christ is my LIFE...
The rest is just trumpets...(oh, and Linux!)
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by Flanders on: Oct 30 2003

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Fine. I think our opinions are clear. I hope the owners of this site put up a vote so we can see whether any of these opnions is shared by other kde-look users.

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by alethia on: Oct 30 2003

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Why does Tim's art bother you so much? Is it so hard for you just to not use it and ignore it? I don't understand. as you said, "No one likes a pushy salesman". Is'nt the fact that you even suggested a vote pushing your idea? Who is the pushy salesman, Tim who is posting Christian Themed art, or you trying to get it removed? Scaping wallpapers completely? Would you push to have Tim's art removed if it were a theme with bible charactors as the icons? Or how about someone else who posted a theme with blood and guts, and a message of violence? Or one with flowers, having a message about save the planet? Or a theme with fish icons and wallpaper preaching save the whales? What makes Those senarios different from Tim's. They all run on KDE and they all have a message. WHich message don't you agree with? That's the one you want to remove. The flower people should post on a save the planet site? The fish people on a save the whales site? Gee, what fun would that be. I personally like the various postings. I don't agree with the ones that exploit women, so I don't use them. IF you hated the color green would you "vote" to have all walpapers with green removed. They should be posted on a site for green walpapers only? How radiculous! I personally think Tims art is coming along fine. Some of his wallpapers are quite good, and I resonate with the message. But all he is doing is using words from a book called the "bible". IF that offends you so much either those words are true and that "book" has you thinking you have some answering to do for the way you live your life. Or all historical writings offend you and you want to sensor them all!

Two things are certain in this life; Death and Taxes. I'm OK with both, how about you?
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by Flanders on: Oct 30 2003

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I think you should read my comments again because your reply is completely beside the point.

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by alethia on: Oct 30 2003

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I read your comments. I even quoted you. So are you goig to answer the questions posed. If yo can't, I understand.

Two things are certain in this life; Death and Taxes. I'm OK with both, how about you?
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by Flanders on: Oct 30 2003

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Yes, you did quote me although I would rather call it �copied and pasted� since the quote is out of context. As for answering your questions: the answers should be obvious if you have read my comments carefully. The fact that you still have to ask shows that you don�t get the point. I shall try one more time. The reason I think wallpapers with a religious or political message should not be posted on KDE-look is the fact that KDE-look is visited by people from all over the world, which means a lot of different cultural and religious backgrounds. Some of these people may be offended by certain texts that may seem harmless to you.
Another problem is the fact that we could end up with a clash of religions as people start up their own religious wallpapers in reaction to others. Someone already tried to upload a wallpaper with a satanic message in reaction to a wallpaper of Tim. (According to your philosophy this should be no problem though) Can you see where the scenario I am sketching would lead to? If you don�t I understand. Maybe you are to busy making sure you don�t have anything to answer for the way you live your life to read my comments carefully.
As for me being offend by historical writings..that is nonsense and not at all what I am getting at. I am not offended by the bible, koran (I have read both) or any other religious texts.

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by Flanders on: Oct 30 2003

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To illustrate my previous comments:
http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=8577

we could end up with

by alethia on: Oct 30 2003

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a clash of religions. You still have not answered the question. Why does this art bother you so much? Let's not make it about Tim's art, but the art in general. What are you afraid of? A world war becasue of religion? Too late. That's been happening. Bottom line is you want censorship on YOUR term. Soemthing bothers you so lets get rid of it. You have nothing of value to add to this site or say in general, if you can't answer a simple question and keep assuming nobody gets the point. You have done nothing but bash the things that bother you the most. Well, since this is the last I'm going to say on this post (since it's obvious you aren't going to be honest).

#1 Heaven and hell are real.

#2 You don't have to believe in either, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

#3 There will be a final judgement.

#4 everyone WILL participate.

Jesus Christ is the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Jesus.

Go ahead and have your vote and push your agenda. Since you have nothing of value to say. I will no longer respond. A real man would just ignore this if he truely believed his convictions. My bet is you will respond and of course prove my point.

I will no longer reply to this post. May you find peace in your life, with the one true, everlasting God,
Jesus Christ.

Two things are certain in this life; Death and Taxes. I'm OK with both, how about you?
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by Flanders on: Oct 30 2003

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I give up. You are clearly clearly too narrow minded to see beyond your own litle world. My only advice to you is to do some traveling and to try to broaden your horizon. Good luck!

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Added second paper...Omega nebula background with smaller insets for the Pleiades and Orion.

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Why didn't he/she tell anybody that earth is like a sphere? Actually, the bible teaches this. See my wallpaper re:Earthsphere. FYI, there's lots of other stuff like that too, if you wish to discuss it! Thanks...and I do believe in UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS...but not flying saucers... Tim

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ok Tim, now am not drunk :-) and if you wish to discuss, we can very well do.. but not in this forum. I'll reply to your email address. Is that fine? Best wishes...

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I think you need to go back and read why I put this here.. *Presented from a believer to other believers to build us all in our trust in God's Word.* ...and there are plenty of them here... As for the rest...thanks for your opinion. Tim

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Hi Tim. If you want to present your work to other believers wouldn't it be more appropriate to post your wallpapers on a religious site?

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...and there are plenty of them here...and this is, after all, an open forum. As for the rest...thanks for your opinion.

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...by the way, I think it would be simple enough for you to ask if KDE will *Officially* accept religious art...no need to lower yourself to using loaded words like "propoganda". When you do that, you are just showing how you want them to vote. not exactly neutral. Tim

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Goodbye Soyburg... Tim

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*try thinking about why your feelings are so strong towards this.* thanks; I'm glad you noticed this too. Thanks for the support. Tim

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"try thinking about why your feelings are so strong towards this" I guess its because I live in a densely populated country (The Netherlands) where people from many different cultural and religious backgrounds have to live peacefully together.........

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if the netherlands can live like that, why can't kdelook?

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Thanks Alethia, you hit it on the nose. Tim

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couldnt have said it better...

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...and I leave you with whatever you wish to think. Bye Flanders. Tim

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Fine. I think our opinions are clear. I hope the owners of this site put up a vote so we can see whether any of these opnions is shared by other kde-look users.

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I think you should read my comments again because your reply is completely beside the point.

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I read your comments. I even quoted you. So are you goig to answer the questions posed. If yo can't, I understand.

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To illustrate my previous comments: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=8577

we could end up with

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I give up. You are clearly clearly too narrow minded to see beyond your own litle world. My only advice to you is to do some traveling and to try to broaden your horizon. Good luck!

Why didn't he/she tell anybody that earth is like a sphere?

Actually, the bible teaches this. See my wallpaper re:Earthsphere.

FYI, there's lots of other stuff like that too, if you wish to discuss it!

Thanks...and I do believe in UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS...but not flying saucers...

Tim

ok Tim, now am not drunk :-) and if you wish to discuss, we can very well do.. but not in this forum. I'll reply to your email address. Is that fine?

Best wishes...

I think you need to go back and read why I put this here..

Presented from a believer to other believers to build us all in our trust in God's Word.

...and there are plenty of them here...

As for the rest...thanks for your opinion.

Tim

...and there are plenty of them here...and this is, after all, an open forum.

As for the rest...thanks for your opinion.

...by the way, I think it would be simple enough for you to ask if KDE will Officially accept religious art...no need to lower yourself to using loaded words like "propoganda". When you do that, you are just showing how you want them to vote. not exactly neutral.

Tim

Goodbye Soyburg...

Tim

try thinking about why your feelings are so strong towards this.

thanks; I'm glad you noticed this too.

Thanks for the support.

Tim

"try thinking about why your feelings are so strong towards this"

I guess its because I live in a densely populated country (The Netherlands) where people from many different cultural and religious backgrounds have to live peacefully together.........

Thanks Alethia, you hit it on the nose.

Tim

...and I leave you with whatever you wish to think.

Bye Flanders.

Tim

To illustrate my previous comments:
http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=8577