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amaroK Video Capable [MockUp]

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Submitted:  Jul 3 2006
Updated:  Jul 29 2006

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It would be nice to see a mixture of Kaffeine and amaroK in order to make a powerfull and rich media player in KDE. What is your opinion?
(I saw that many users disagree on a mixture, so i change my propose)

What about making amaroK playing video using an engine? (xine, mplayer, etc)




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 DB and Kaffeine

 
 by gollum on: Jul 29 2006  
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I like both kaffeine and Amarok.
But why should the 2 software become one unique ?
I think it would be better to add a database support in Kaffeine, and better if it's compatible with Amarok, but a Video oriented DB.
And for Kaffeine, plug-in should be about finding subtitles in spite of lyrics, etc...

But a movie does'nt have the same properties to be known than a Music Album. So i dond't belive that Amarok may be Video capable. ( and no computer may ever be Vista capable :)

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 Re: DB and Kaffeine

 
 by menace1982 on: Jul 30 2006  
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"But why should the 2 software become one unique ?"

For usefullness... A new user has to deal with 1000 different media players. amaroK for audio, Kaffeine for video, mPlayer for video, XMMS for audio etc. Plus he have to get used to different ways of opening a media file. Making amaroK video capable, we introduce a new aspect of media playing in linux. One database with all the media files of the user. (i had a newbie girlfrend once that she wanted to use winamp 2 but she liked the database capabilities of Windows Media Player plus that winamp 2 was not video capable, so she dropped it)


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 Re: Re: DB and Kaffe

 
 by panzi on: Aug 12 2006  
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Winamp 2 (2.9) can play videos and has the IMHO superior DB to WMP! It supports podcasts, streaming audio/video (nullsoft tv) etc.
Winamp 5 has the same features, but IMHO a little bit better. I loved Winamp.


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 Re: Re: DB and Kaffeine

 
 by sosonok on: Aug 15 2006  
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A new user has to deal with 1000 different media players. amaroK for audio, Kaffeine for video, mPlayer for video, XMMS for audio etc.

A new user has to choose a music player and a video player, it's no so hard ;P


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 Bad idea

 
 by krj on: Jul 29 2006  
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I don't need another all-in-one player. What I need is useful and flexible music player and Amarok is defintely the best. When something tries to deal with everything then it is useless. :)

Amarok should be for music only.


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 Re: Bad idea

 
 by menace1982 on: Jul 30 2006  
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What about Konqueror? It deals with E V E R Y T H I N G! It's a file manager, web browser, console etc, etc, etc and vitiates the "Old Fashion" idea of "dealing with everything makes more mess". A program that does more thing than the promised, is classified as a powerful program.


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 Why a bad idea?

 
 by arturhawkwing on: Jul 29 2006  
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How is an app that does everything useless? If it's done well wouldn't it make it more usefull? How would it become worhless? If amorok did start to be able to play video would you stop using it for music just because it was able to play video as well? Kaffeine is able to play both. why not amarok? I don't know why people are so quick to shoot down an idea like this.

I've noticed that allot of people complain when an app does more than one thing, yet they also complain that they have too many apps installled. Amarok already does allot, it plays just about any audio file be it local or remote. It even does streaming audio. Why would it be that bad to add video capabilities? I for one think it would be a good idea. AmaroK already uses the xine engine, which is a video engine is it not? I don't use amarok to play audio cd's or streams. does this mean that amarok should have not put in the ability to do this? No, because someone esle might find it usefull. If amarok started playing video I wouldn't need another multimedia player. Not even kaffeine.

Amarok wouldn't need to add video to a database. It could just open them the way any other program would.


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 Re: Why a bad idea?

 
 by Fri13 on: Jul 29 2006  
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I Dont like even idea that Kaffeine can play audio. I like that i have one GOOD software to do one task.

I like the idea that Kaffeine could have samekind metadata catalog as amarok, but for videos, it would has tags like names, series, actors, time, framerate, year and so on, if someone watch DVD, kaffeine could get infos from IMDB (what would be preferred for other video files too for series, and user should then just search things by manually).

KDE it just must be...
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 Re: Re: Why a bad idea?

 
 by menace1982 on: Jul 30 2006  
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Nobody said that you have to use the video capabilities of amaroK. If you like using amaroK for music and kaffeine for video, thats your matter. You may still use amaroK for music and kaffeine for video even if amaroK became video capable.... that's your choice...


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 Re: Re: Why a bad idea?

 
 by arturhawkwing on: Jul 30 2006  
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You don't like that kaffeine plays audio? If it didn't then the movies would be pretty dull without being able to hear what's going on in the movie. This isn't what you had in mind of course but I couldn't resist my little joke.


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 Re: Re: Re: Why a bad idea?

 
 by Fri13 on: Jul 30 2006  
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And your joke was good ;-)

Of course developers could just add "kaffeine support" for amarok but then they would need to make it so that user needs enable it from settings, by default it should be off and it should not interrupt to play music.

And if kaffeine would get integrated to amarok, amarok developing would became more much harder and updates should be more often or later, just depending how kaffeine updates things.

Nope, i like that i have best audio player and i have good videoplayer in my hands.
I dont like to use WMP on those machines what have it. It's good idea if you thing you could have same GUI for video and music, but then we would need to forget amarok's great GUI, just to get video player together it, so it would not show music player options when watchin video what would confuse normal users.

KDE it just must be...
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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Why a bad idea?

 
 by menace1982 on: Jul 30 2006  
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amaroK can use the xine engine... The xine engine has video capabilities... I don't believe that it would be so difficult to make amaroK video "capable" (its already video capable, it doesn't show video image).
Confusing normal users? Forget the great amaroK gui? "so it would not show music player options when watchin video" What's the point of hiding music player options? Video files are like audio files... They just contain an extra stream (video). You can use all the music options on videos [equalizer, scripts, statistics, cd covers(dvd covers) etc, etc, etc,]


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 Re: Why a bad idea?

 
 by reyfer1 on: Jul 30 2006  
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Thing is, people that complain because they have too many apps can always CHOOSE wich apps they want to keep. I think if you have one extraordinary app like Amarok being the best at audio, why make it all bloated by adding a capability for wich there's already an excellent app?


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 Re: Re: Why a bad idea?

 
 by arturhawkwing on: Jul 30 2006  
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The issue of "being bloated" has been dabated over and over. What exactly is your definition of being bloated? And how exactly would amarok become bloated?


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 Yes.

 
 by logixoul on: Aug 10 2006  
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I am in favor of ditching Kaffeine and all the other Linux video players and adding video support (with no video "collection database", obviously) to Amarok.
My reasoning? Very simple: from the user's POV playing video and playing audio has the same verb: "playing".


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 Re: Yes.

 
 by panzi on: Aug 12 2006  
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... with no video "collection database" ...
Whay that? I'd like to have all my mediafiles in a DB.


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 Re: Re: Yes.

 
 by logixoul on: Aug 12 2006  
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  1. Most (all?) video formats don't have metadata support, meaning the user would have to enter it manually. Guessing based on filename might work, but is only a partial solution.

  2. Usually there are only several big video files (mostly movies), and those are relatively rarely played. This contrasts with audio, which is usually a big quantity, but rarely changed.


As for you personally, how many video files do you have?


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 amaroK Video plugin

 
 by cybercoin on: Oct 1 2006  
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Hello, amaroK is open source, if you want video support, you can program a plugin, then add it to amaroK. You can then put it out on kde-apps so that others could use it, maybe some day it will be implemented in amaroK!

I really want video support in amaroK, look at iTunes, the only thing iTunes beat amaroK on is video support


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