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Submitted:  Jun 23 2006
Updated:  Jun 23 2006

Description:

what\'s one of the biggest problem for *NIX begginers or better to say what\'s stopping them to switch to *NIX?

my opinion is: installing apps (drivers or anything else) in the easiest way (when i tried to switch from kde 3.4.3 to kde 3.5.2 i had to wait for 3 days only to download sources and even more to compile them :( [because of my old machine and the power electricity that is a daily bother in my country] ).

screenshots that i have included show the bitrock-installer installing aMSN.

some info about bitrock:
*homepage: www.bitrock.com
*cross-platform,
*easy to use,
*closed source,
*GTK+ front end (it will use X server if there is no GTK+ library but even there is no X server running it will run interactively on shell),
*scriptable,
*customizable,
*creates uninstaller after the app has been installed.

so why don\'t we have an installer like that but that would be free, open-source, QT frontend?

i think (and would be very happy if it is going to be merged on KDE4 or KDevelop) *NIX world really needs and deserves an installer like i described above.

any comment (except that portage, rpm or apt are great)?




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 Please, no

 
 by ibc on: Jun 24 2006
 
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IMHO the best choice is the (K)Ubuntu way: Adept/Synaptic in two modes: Simple and Advanced.

In Simple mode the user just see a list of programs (no libraries) with their description ready to install.

In Advanced mode Adept or Synaptic appers.

Please, note that any decent Linux distro use repositories so the user doesn't have to look for programs in strange and insegure pages (as they do actually in Windows).

Linux is still more difficult for a newbies than Windows, but the package system is better in Linux. Don't try to convert Linux in Windows just because the newbies are used to the insecure package system of Windows, please.


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 Re: Please, no

 
 by elektroschock on: Jun 26 2006
 
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Adept needs usability improvements first.


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 Re: Re: Please, no

 
 by ibc on: Jun 26 2006
 
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Yes, Adept needs be improved, but IMHO it's the correct way.


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 Not a KDE thing

 
 by liquidat on: Jun 25 2006
 
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This is not a KDE thing, but a repository thing: the repositories are depending on different package formats, etc., and all tries to convince the other distributions to use application or packaging format xyz failed.
KDE cannot step in here because it is just not KDE's field. If there is once a unnified solution, KDE will add a frontend to it, I'm quite sure, but that's it - nothing more. KDE is a desktop environment, not the system. It can add configuration frontends, yes, but nothing more.

Solutions like the one your proposed are already available, but they all have their huge shortcommings and no solution is really spread. To mention some: klik (klik.atekon.de) and autopackage (autopackage.org).

However, the most realistic attempt to solve the problem is (at the moment) with the LSB: The last meeting showed that the ISV's are pushing more and more for a possiblitiy to easily provide packages (and I agree with these and you that we desperatly need these) so we are probably getting something there somewhen.

Another movement is at the moment the fact that almost all RPM distributions switch over to a unified repository standard (XML package metadata, sometimes called yum metadata) which will became a de facto standard soon, hopefully. Since xml package metadata can also be used for deb packages and since at least apt-rpm now supports this format too it could be possible (and I hope so) that we soon have at least a common package repository format which can be used for example together with lsb-rpm to provide one package in one repository for all distributions. Imagine a world where you just download a single (repository) file and that's it. You would not even have to care which distribution, which packaging system or whatnot, it would just work.
I don't know if that will happen, but chances are there that it can. And if not, well, we still have the LSB option.

All other ideas, like press all distributions to use one package manager or hoping that every package will be included in every repository of every distributions are far from reality.


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 installer

 
 by Kreuger on: Jun 25 2006
 
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how about Kinstaller, the program? It already exists (search it). I use it to install all sources. The only problem is if it's not the standard ./configure, make and make install, it wont work.


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 no

 
 by -pengu- on: Jun 25 2006
 
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Download a copy of PC-BSD. Its freeBSD based and to supplement the ports package management it uses something called pbi. PBI files install like windows exe files.

Try it out and see how you like it. The thing is, if you want to install 10 pbi's you have to go through each one seperatly. That is why package management on linux is fine how it is. (as long as you use .deb or portage :) )


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 Portage does all

 
 by antares on: Sep 18 2006
 
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I don't think this is a good idea because software management is too distribution dependant.

I would never want a KDE installer to blow my pretty Gentoo installation.

Portage is such a good system, that there is no need for sth. like this. Just type emerge name and everything else goes alone. These installers would get like the Windoze ones and you will have to click about licence, etc... I don't want that.


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