What's missing in KDE3 beta1?

Speed	51%
Stability	13%
Eye Candy	20%
Apps	6%
Gnome Support	11%

Votes: 3018

goto page:

1 2 3 4

Eye candy

by anonymous on: Dec 30 2001

Score 50%

Well, I guess that having eye candy in second position isn't surprising on this site ;-)

reply to myself

by anonymous on: Dec 30 2001

Score 50%

Anyway, like in the "What do you want to see in KDE 3.0" pool speed is the first choice!

Fight the good fight

by anonymous on: Jan 5 2002

Score 50%

So we have made it this far... KDE is great, we are competeing with windows xp but we need to iron out the bugs... there are many but you guys will get there. In my books most important is stability.. second is driver support and third is speed. Throw in some candy and thats a bonus... most of us run high speed machines anyway so we can handle it. Lets hope we can kick some microsoft ass.

Beta

by anonymous on: Dec 30 2001

Score 50%

Well, stability is obvious, since it is a beta. But speed isn't obvious, so I chose that one.

GNOME support

by anonymous on: Jan 3 2002

Score 50%

Have you guys honestly tested (and admitted to yourself) that GNOME applications are more concise and offer better intuitiveness. Now before you go flaming me for my blasphemous comments on a KDE site, check the following apps out:
Gnumeric (definitely does all that Excel does better and then some)
Galeon (probably the coooolest browser that I've seen this side of the OS divide)
Evolution (this one sure improves your outlook ;)

Let me reiterate that KDE is better than GNOME as an environment but I'm yet to see myself working with KWord or even KSpread. Konqueror too lacks behind Galeon (try it, I swear!!) So, what we need is a healthy acceptance of GNOME and its features into KDE. I'm sure the gains will be all of KDE!

Not a flame...

by anonymous on: Jan 4 2002

Score 50%

but I have a point to make here...

Try this with Galeon:

Split the view window into 2 parts (views), top and bottom.

Unlink the top view and connect to a remote site via SFTP (FTP over SSH). With Konqueror, the address is: "fish://@"

Ensure that the bottom view is linked to the sidebar directory view, and navigate to any directory that you like.

Now drag a file from the bottom view to the top view, transferring it to the remote site.

What's that? Galeon doesn't support any of the above features?

But I thought it was better...

Conquer your desktop.. get Konqueror!

Angle brackets...

by anonymous on: Jan 4 2002

Score 50%

were stripped from my text. The FISH kioslave uses the syntax:
fish://user@domain

I used it last night and was very surprised at how easy it was to do this.. it sure is easier than using a terminal.

umm

by anonymous on: Jan 8 2002

Score 50%

because if you read the README and FAQ files in the galeon tarball you'll see it's just meant to be a webbrowser, that's all. fish is awesome in konqueror, but a more comparable feature would be better put in Nautilus

sure...

by anonymous on: Jan 9 2002

Score 50%

yeah sure it's just meant to be a webbrowser... because it simply CAN'T be anything else.

All this is about code reusability (ie. C vs. C++)...
all GNOME developers hack their way with GTK+, and eventually produce great programs, but there is no way they could reuse the code of their neighbours.

When you code your KDE app, you add 70 lines of auto-generated code, 10 lines of specific code and you are DONE. It's a no brainer : everyone can reuse your program as a KPart with 5 lines of code (I even think the strict minimum is 3 ).

So, sure, GNOME programers claim everywhere an application MUST perform only one specific task...
and in the meantime, they break their heads against the walls trying to have a working integrated environnment with awfully overkilled monsters like CORBA and badly documented APIs...

Well... Bullshits... ;-)

gnome apps

by anonymous on: Jan 4 2002

Score 50%

what does galeon do better than konqueror? i can think of two things: it uses gecko which does better than khtml/kjs on some sites and it has tabbed browsing. other than those things, the nice features of galeon were all seen in konqueror first.

konqueror is getting tabs as an option (the patch is done but is too late for 3.0. you heard it here first!). khtml/kjs have also received serious attention in CVS, especially after the beta.

in other words, there are more similarities than differences and konqueror is making up where it lacks. of course, it also has a lot of features that galeon will never have. ever. (see the previous post)

as an added bonus, konqueror works well, looks proper, and integrates beautifully with the rest of the environment.

expect the same scenario to play out time and again with all the GNOME apps that are currently held to be "better", since if KDE is the better environment it will be a better base for applications.

so instead of supporting apps that are marginally better today, perhaps supporting the development of native KDE apps is a better idea in the long run.

of course, we're all free to use whatever we want.

Galeon VS Konqueror

by anonymous on: Jan 29 2002

Score 50%

I am a serious lover of KDE, but, I honestly cannot use Konqueror as my default webrowser because of it's lack of support for java, javascript, and yes even some PHP. I'll continue to use KDE, but I cannot see using Konqueror to do anything but browse my machine. Also, how could anyone compare K-Mail to a program like Evolution ?

This isn't about GNOME VS KDE, it's about applications that are truely useable. Konqueror needs to gain better web support and you can't argue the point. Until the KDE team recognizes this we dont have a truely useable browser. All we have is a file manager that supports SOME html.

PHP, etc

by anonymous on: Feb 2 2002

Score 50%

While support for java requires installing something extra, and javascript support may not be perfect (although it works great for me), PHP is entirely server side. Nothing needs to be done in the browser.

Open your eyes

by cshobe on: Aug 17 2002

Score 50%

cshobe

Settings -->Configure Konqueror.

Enable Javascript
Enable Java

PHP is server based.

use?

by anonymous on: Jan 5 2002

Score 50%

For Gnumeric I agree, it is much more better than kspread.
For Galeon, as said in the previous post konqueror is much more than a browser, I sometimes use galeon for the tab feature (if I need to open lots of windows it is lighter with tabs).
But Evolution, how can you say this is a good gui? I hate the way this thing look, when I was still using windows I ran outlook express once then closed it and installed eudora.

what about ximian?

by anonymous on: Jan 9 2002

Score 50%

i've heard some great things about gnome, but i can't get through it's "mac-like" gui. kde has been, for me at least, a perfect bridge from the micros~1 world to linux and i rather like konqueror, but ximian has just released evolution 1.0 and i've heard nothing but great things about it. unfortunately getting it to work in kde has been less than easy... granted, speed and "shiny" would be a nice add on, but if kde had the added benefits of all of gnome's apps, it would be the best gui for linux-based machines.

evolution

by Ludootje on: Feb 6 2002

Score 50%

Yes evolution in my idea kinda sucks, while kmail is the perfect emailclient for me, as galeon is the perfect browser (for me). I personally don't think about 'is this a kde app?' or 'is this a gnome app?' when i run something, but you guys seems to have a different thought of that ;)

Galeon...

by anonymous on: Jan 9 2002

Score 50%

yeah... comeon, troll, take your Galeon thingy and go click on the left link on this page:
http://www.phoenix-library.org/bug-moz-css.html

The day you manage, then come and tell me your browser is good.

But I'm not fair.
Galeon is actually a great program... too bad Gecko is such a bloated buggy crap...
maybe Galeon developers can switch to gtkHTML ? (GNOME port of KHTML ;-))

Gnome

by anonymous on: Jan 10 2002

Score 50%

That is possibly the dumbest shit I've read all day . Congratulations dip shit you've won the moron prize.

GNOME and intuition

by anonymous on: Feb 3 2002

Score 50%

I'm seriously considering switching from GNOME to KDE because I'm finding it harder to use than I used to, whereas KDE (now it's less like Windows than it used to be) is looking better integrated, more flexible, easier to tweak and IMO is slightly more "sound" technically due to its C++ foundation (as opposed to faking it in C, which I find a bit painful).

I see what you mean about the apps; gnumeric is a wonderful example of what can be done and has improved tremendously. But "where are the applications" has long been an issue with Linux and other Unices when it comes to desktop support, and if GNOME can host apps as good as Gnumeric, so can KDE! It'll be interesting to see what happens in the future.

Yeah, Yeah....

by anonymous on: Feb 3 2002

Score 50%

Galeon is very buggy. Most Gnome apps with more than limited functionality are slow and bloated, no to mention ugly, no matter which theme I use. KDE apps on the other hand, have a tendancy to run fast and smoothly, have a consitant UI, and not to mention much better common dialogs (Compare Gnomes's File open with KDE's File open dialogs.). Also, KDE has much better themes. I personally find the default theme to be the best of any UI I've ever used on any platform.

Nautilus is nice, but can you say Bloatware? In either case, it has nothing on Konqueror (I'm yet to see a browser with the same flexibility).

???

by anonymous on: Feb 4 2002

Score 50%

For information :
gnumeric, galeon and evolution run on KDE very well so what is the problem with GNOME support ?

gnomeapps on kde

by Ludootje on: Feb 6 2002

Score 50%

Agree, I had no problems with letting gnome apps run on kde.
getting kmail to run on gnome did caused me some problems:(:(

intuitive?

by Ludootje on: Feb 6 2002

Score 50%

Gnumeric, galeon & gimp are wonderful apps. I personally prefer kmail to evolution, but that doesn't matter.
The point is you say they are more intuitive. I don't agree at all with that. With every KDE app, you will have exact the same menu, which makes configuring etc much easier. Furthermore, you can set up the toolbar with every KDE app, which makes it even more intuitive. So all you do is name some good gnome apps, but that doesn't has anything to do with the intuitivity of gnome.
So you're saying doesn't make any sense...
Ludootje

speed

by anonymous on: Jan 21 2002

Score 50%

it is obvious too, because beta are usually compiled with debug information so is slower that final version.

Less EyeCandy

by anonymous on: Dec 30 2001

Score 50%

Gals, guys, could we please have less eyecandy in kde3. The eyecandy is forcing me to turn to gnome and blackbox. I loved kde once but it's just getting too sluggish. KDE 1.1 was much faster than 2.2.2. Just my nickle and dime.

Ungrateful

by anonymous on: Dec 31 2001

Score 50%

Whine somewhere else. You should appreciate all the programmers who work so hard for us kde users. Besides, you can turn al the eye candy off. You know that but you just can't resist trolling around.

I do appreciate them

by anonymous on: Dec 31 2001

Score 50%

...need to say that I love the work, and the eyecandy in and of itself. It's just that I'm afraid we that we might be getting a tad obsessed with it though. Honestly Phil, I love all of it. These are not just programmers here. They are artists. All of them. But it's all forcing some of us advocates to search elsewhere, and that's a shame. I have always considered myself a KDE diehard. I've been using kde since the very beginning and have watched it mature through many transformations. But it seems to have gotten so heavy, though nice, that I cannot run it on my very basic system. I get paid from volunteer work, so I cannot just buy a new system to run my favorite environment. It's the reason why I've always run linux anyway.

Once again, gals, guys, keep up the good work. I just wished that I could keep up with you:(

Ungrateful

by anonymous on: Dec 31 2001

Score 50%

Whine somewhere else. You should appreciate all the programmers who work so hard for us kde users. Besides, you can turn al the eye candy off. You know that but you just can't resist trolling around.

Ungrateful

by anonymous on: Dec 31 2001

Score 50%

Whine somewhere else. You should appreciate all the programmers who work so hard for us kde users. Besides, you can turn al the eye candy off. You know that but you just can't resist trolling around.

eye candy is dandy

by anonymous on: Jan 2 2002

Score 50%

Well your nickel and dime isnt worth a nickel. Sure KDE has a whole lot of lovely yet functionally useless eye candy. But you can switch all of it off if you like. On top of that, KDE 2 has steadily gotten faster and faster with every release, and if anything the binaries appear smaller considering all the extra stuff in them.

Heartfelt

by anonymous on: Jan 2 2002

Score 50%

Ouch....

eye candy

by anonymous on: Jan 4 2002

Score 50%

the speed issues in kde2 have next to nothing to do with the eye candy improvements. they lie in numerous other areas of the underlying libraries and technologies used. and each of these bottlenecks are slowly but surely being addressed.

unfortunately some development groups (both GNOME and MacOSX come to mind) have reinforced the concept that "looks nice" == "slow". this does not need to be true and the way eye candy is approached in KDE2/3 proves it.

Eye candy vs Speed

by anonymous on: Feb 1 2002

Score 50%

If you wanna make a good opinion about it, just Enlightenment 0.17 in CVS : it is still in unstable state but already quite fast !! And it does throw eye candies away !! I think that if KWin would be transparently replaced by another window manager such as E, we would have a short time solution for speed, and long time one for making KDE easily integrated with other Desktop environments...

KDE is KDE-compliant : only kwin works well with it !

KDE is KDE-compliant

by Ludootje on: Feb 6 2002

Score 50%

yeah right, how about trying it before posting? use icewm as kde wm, and it'll work just fine

thanks all

by anonymous on: Dec 31 2001

Score 50%

...need to say that I love the work, and the eyecandy in and of itself. It's just that I'm afraid we that we might be getting a tad obsessed with it though. Honestly Phil, I love all of it. These are not just programmers here. They are artists. All of them. But it's all forcing some of us advocates to search elsewhere, and that's a shame. I have always considered myself a KDE diehard. I've been using kde since the very beginning and have watched it mature through many transformations. But it seems to have gotten so heavy, though nice, that I cannot run it on my very basic system. I get paid from volunteer work, so I cannot just buy a new system to run my favorite environment. It's the reason why I've always run linux anyway.

Once again, gals, guys, keep up the good work. I just wished that I could keep up with you:(

stability

by anonymous on: Jan 1 2002

Score 50%

my kde usually crashed when it opened so many window ... it's annoying my work...

simpler ui design

by anonymous on: Jan 2 2002

Score 50%

The 'Menu Editor' program shouldn't exist.

The taskbar needs to be re-conceptualized.

Should be able to organise and drag'n'drop menu to menu and menu to desktop (like WIndows).

uh...

by anonymous on: Jan 4 2002

Score 50%

"The 'Menu Editor' programs houldn't exist."

outside of the K menu, menus remaining static in apps important for usability. the K menu does need some help though, i agree.

"The taskbar needs to be re-conceptualized. "

suggestions? implementations? serious thoughts on the matter? or just empty whining?

"Should be able to organise and Drag'n'drop menu to menu and menu to desktop"

you said you wanted a SIMPLER ui, right?

there are too many armchair coders/designers in this world.

need tabs,menu edit?

by anonymous on: Jan 5 2002

Score 50%

hi
need tabs in konqueror is a must now :-) any updates on if it will be included ?

n for the menu editor i think there should also be a right click on the menu entries in the menu itself like wodozz does i think its a good idea, atleast draggin them to different loactions on the kmenu withouth calling up the kmenu edit ? any thoughts on this ?

in menu editing

by anonymous on: Jan 11 2002

Score 50%

being able to edit the KMenu and bookmark menus using RMB menus will be in 3.1. (and maybe DnD editting for those menus, though that isn't there yet)

the majority of menus will remain static (as they should)