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 Good bits of GNOME

 
 by telex on: Apr 1 2004  
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Areas where I think GNOME is better than KDE include:

Gstreamer - I really hope that KDE moves from Arts to Gstreamer in KDE4, rather than sticking with Arts or moving to NMM/MAS, so we have a common multimedia framework.

SVG graphics - GNOME seems to handle SVGs better, and more widely. I look forward to downloading kdeartwork and finding all the icons are SVG

Default configurations - Take Epiphany - this browser is much better than the current (3.2.1) default profile for Konqueror; it's far more simple, configured for web browsing alone. While I don't like GNOME's idea of *removing* options altogether from the configuration dialogues, I much prefer their lightweight use of toolbars and window configurations... it looks much cleaner and is easier to get used to.

And lots of little things, like faster startup, a nicer effect when selecting desktop/folder items with the mouse, and a cleaner feel in general.

But thankfully KDE is moving towards solving a lot of these issues :-)


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 Re: Good bits of GNOME

 
 by shafff on: Apr 1 2004  
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yes arts is a mistake, gstreamer is better.

but as for browser, remember that epiphany uses slow gecko engine, it has many hard2correct issues like losting cache after crash. Khtml is much more optimized and integrated.

I suppose you thought about changing web-browser because of usability - epiphany has slightly cleaner gui, w/o unneeded options. If you'll search the kde mailling lists archives (on usability), you'll find some .ui customization, which *has* clean gui for konq-web.

and yes, the toolbar cleaning is needed.

Nickolai Shaforostoff, KDE Russian Translation Team
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 Re: Good bits of GNOME

 
 by shm on: Apr 2 2004  
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there have been abit of progress in cleaning up konq's toolbars.. the print frame button is gone.. hopefully the security button will be too soon and the kget developers will be cajoled to remove the show drop target icon for people who insall kdenetwork. Other than that, I don't think there will be any more changes to the toolbar anytime soon... which is good since we need a nice stable interface.

I don't see kdeartwork fully converted to svg anytime soon. SVG icons don't scale terribly well into smaller icon sizes, bitmap icons have much more potential for creativity, and ksvg is simply not made/optimized for that usage (rather for the web)


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 Re: Re: Good bits of GNOME

 
 by telex on: Apr 4 2004  
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> SVG icons don't scale terribly well
> into smaller icon sizes

The simple solution is to have two SVGs, one for small (16x16 and 22x22) icons and one for larger icons. This is already an icon standard for KDE, though because KSVG still can't render a full icon set properly, let alone quickly, we've not really seen this standard being applied.

> and ksvg is simply not
> made/optimized for that usage

Which is a shame. rsvg works in GNOME beautifully.

> bitmap icons have much more
> potential for creativity

Why? IMHO, Crystal, Reinhardt, Gorilla, Wasp and even Lila are some of the most beautiful themes around, and they are all made with SVGs, and in GNOME fully rendered as SVGs. In fact, I'd say that using SVGs makes icon sets far better in aesthetic terms, because they tend to be cleaner and less fussy.


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 Eyecandy

 
 by L0rclA5CII on: Apr 2 2004  
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Looks like Gnome has menu translucency and window drop shadows now. Also seems to look "cleaner" (although it always seems to anyhow). Now only if Nautilus could come close to the file management of Konqueror...


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 Re: Eyecandy

 
 by EliasP on: Apr 2 2004  
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The dropshadows/menushadows are a feature of the new xserver, not of gnome-2.6.

Greetings

Elias P.


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 KDE Too Kind

 
 by WinterWolf on: Apr 3 2004  
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Why is KDE so nice to GNOME? So willing to cooperate, when they are not half as willing. KDE developers ahve made it possible to integrate KDE technologies in GNOME apps, automatically use Qt theme on GTK apps, etc.

Now we even announce their major release? When have they ever announced the release of KDE 3.2? I suggest this be deleted, it looks bad on a website exclusively dedicated to KDE.


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 Re: KDE Too Kind

 
 by Yaba on: Apr 3 2004  
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If you think they should care more of KDE, why shall we do the same mistake and ignore Gnome?

Do you always redo others mistakes?

Why shouldn't we be kind to Gnome just because they are not?

In addition to that a new Gnome Release is a good time to think about the position of KDE and see, what Gnome does better, and what not.

Do you really think, KDE would be as good as today, if the developers never took a look on other desktops like Windows, Mac OS or Gnome?

And if we really would continue to ignore Gnome, we also should start ignoring GIMP, Windows, Mac OS X and most probably the user. And soon KDE will become worse than Gnome. Do you really want this?

To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it.
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 Re: Re: KDE Too Kind

 
 by jbaileys on: Apr 5 2004  
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Is it a mistake that gnome are perceived to ignore KDE? Or is it apart of the original philosophy they had that brought on the creation of Gnome in the first place.
If my memory serves me correctly, I think the Gnome project was started as a retaliation to KDE's usage of the then non-GPL'd QT widget set. I remember reading articles years ago with the Gnome right wingers urging users to boycott the use of KDE because of QT's licensing.. After QT offered a new licensing scheme, I then remember Mr Richard Stallman crapping on about KDE should apoligise about using QT in the firstplace, and until an apoligy is put forward, people should still boycott KDE!
in brilliant KDE spirit, the developers just continued on their original aim, that is building a great desktop.
But, if Gnome'rs still have the habits of old, in snubbing KDE, we've still lost nothing :)


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 Re: KDE Too Kind

 
 by Fingel on: Apr 5 2004  
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well you look like a person moving Linux forward...


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 Re: KDE Too Kind

 
 by uninet on: Apr 13 2004  
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Developers on both sides always say it is users (apparently like you) that aren't willing to cooperate, not the developers. And, fwiw, I hardly see making it so that theme that has GTK use Qt as being KDE doing something "nice" for GNOME -- rather its beneficial to KDE (i.e. all the great GTK applications then are available for KDE in a more integrated fashion).

"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." -Jim Elliot
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 Webbrowser

 
 by LordLord on: Apr 10 2004  
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Ok, haven't tried gnome 2.6 yet.

But for webbrowsers, i like firefox the best, nice plugins and extensions (Adblock!)

Firefox's Gecko engine uses more memory, but handles CSS much better. In Konqueror most of the CSS features simply aren't displayed korrect, i'm sorry to say that. But if Konqueror and its khtml engine improves on CSS and has some sort of Adblock abillity it wil be a better browser.

Until then gecko rules, as for default layout and gui correctnes, gnome rules.


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 Re: Webbrowser

 
 by jbaileys on: Apr 10 2004  
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You mention that as far as gui correctness goes, Gnome Rules.
What do you mean by GUI correctness?
I recently trialed Gnome 2.6 for a couple of days, and I found it uninspiring and not that wondeful to use. For me, anyhow, GUI correctness should mean 'how does it suit the end user?' Well, for this end user, I was not impressed with it.
Simple things like changing the colours of fonts against certain coloured backgrounds was a task I still can't solve with Gnome easily. Their lightness on configuration choices is far too light, almost to the point they dont achieve much at all. But despite these small issues, the general feel of Gnome was not of a polished desktop environment.
....so if GUI correctness means you have to hand edit configuration files to get the result you want, then we may as well all return to the command line!
I admit I am a biased KDE'er, but I really was looking forward to this release of Gnome, and expected a lot, but it hasnt really improved much from previous releases.


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